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Your solution, attempt at solution. If you are unable to attempt a solution, give a

phrase-by-phrase interpretation of the problem along with a statement of what you do or do

not understand about it. This response should be given, based on the work you did in

completing the assignment, before you look at the given solution.

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Question: `qQuery set 3 #'s 13-14 If an object of mass m1 rests on a frictionless

tabletop and a mass m2 hangs over a good pulley by a string attached to the first object,

then what forces act on the two-mass system and what is the net force on the system? What

would be the acceleration of the system? How much would gravitational PE change if the

hanging mass descended a distance `dy?

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Your solution:

Net force on the mass resting on the table is zero. The net force on the system comes primarily from gravitational force on the hanging mass. Tension plays a part here as well.

Net force of the system = m2 * 9.8m/sec^2

Acceleration of the system = FNet/(m1 + m2)

Gravitational force would decline as the hanging mass descended.

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Given Solution:

`a** The net force on the system is the force of gravity on the suspended weight: Fnet = m2

* 9.8 m/s/s

Gravity also acts on m1 which is balanced by force of table on m1, so the forces on m1 make

no contribution to Fnet.

Acceleration=net force/total mass = 9.8 m/s^2 * m2 / (m1+m2).

If the mass m2 descends distance `dy then gravitational PE decreases by - m2 g * `dy.

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS AND INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:

Misconception: The tension force contributes to the net force on the 2-mass system.

Student's solution:

The forces acting on the system are the forces which keep the mass on the table, the tension

in the string joining the two masses, and the weight of the suspended mass.

The net force should be the suspended mass * accel due to gravity + Tension.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENT:

String tension shouldn't be counted among the forces contributing to the net force on the

system.

The string tension is internal to the two-mass system. It doesn't act on the system but

within the system.

Net force is therefore suspended mass * accel due to gravity only

'The forces which keep the mass on the table' is too vague and probably not appropriate in

any case. Gravity pulls down, slightly bending the table, which response with an elastic

force that exactly balances the gravitational force. **

STUDENT COMMENT

I don't understand why m1 doesn't affect the net force. Surely it has to, if mass1 was 90kg,

or 90g, then are they saying that the force would be the same regardless?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

m1 has no effect on the net force in the given situation.

Whatever the mass on the tabletop, it experiences a gravitational force pulling it down, and

the tabletop exerts an equal and opposite force pushing it up. So the mass of that object

contributes nothing to the net force on the system.

The mass m1 does, however, get accelerated, so m1 does have a lot to do with how quickly the

system accelerates. The greater the mass m1, the less accelerating effect the net force

will have on the system.

Also if friction is present, the mass m1 is pulled against the tabletop by gravity,

resulting in frictional force. The greater the mass m1, the greater would be the frictional

force.

All these ideas are addressed in upcoming questions and exercises.

STUDENT COMMENT

I understand the first few parts of this problem, but I am still a little unsure about the

gravitational PE.

I knew what information that was required to solve the problem, but I just thought the

solution would be more that (-m2 * 9.8m/s^2 * ‘dy).

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Only m2 is changing its altitude, so only m2 experiences a change in gravitational PE.

Equivalently, only m2 experiences a gravitational force in its direction of motion, so work

is done by gravity on only m2.

STUDENT COMMENT

I forgot that PE = m * g * 'dy. And I did not think that the table exerting force on the

mass took it out of the system. I understand the idea though.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

the table doesn't take the mass out of the system, but it does counter the force exerted by

gravity on that mass

so the total mass of the system is still the total of the accelerating masses, but the net

force is just the force of gravity on the suspended mass, (since the system is said to be

frictionless, there is no frictional force to consider)

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Self-critique (if necessary):

Actually felt pretty good answering this one. I did, however, think that string tension would play a part in the total net force. I do see why it is considered as an interal component of the system and doesn't contribute to force.

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Question: `qHow would friction change your answers to the preceding question?

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Your solution:

A heavier mass would increase the forces holding it back (friction). It would decrease total KE change.

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Given Solution:

`a**Friction would act to oppose the motion of the mass m1 as it slides across the table, so

the net force would be m2 * g - frictional resistance. **

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Question: `qExplain how you use a graph of force vs. stretch for a rubber band to determine

the elastic potential energy stored at a given stretch.

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Your solution:

The area under the curve represent the work input required.

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Given Solution:

`a** If we ignore thermal effects, which you should note are in fact significant with rubber

bands and cannot in practice be ignored if we want very accurate results, PE is the work

required to stretch the rubber band. This work is the sum of all F * `ds contributions from

small increments `ds from the initial to the final position. These contributions are

represented by the areas of narrow trapezoids on a graph of F vs. stretch. As the

trapezoids get thinner and thinner, the total area of these trapezoids approaches, the area

under the curve between the two stretches.

So the PE stored is the area under the graph of force vs. stretch. **

STUDENT QUESTION

I am still a little confused about if the work is done by the rubber bands, or if the work

is done one the rubber bands.

Would you explain the difference?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

This example might be helpful:

If you pull the end of an anchored rubber band to the right, it exerts a force to the left,

in the direction opposite motion, so it does negative work during the process.

You, on the other hand, pull in the direction of motion and do positive work on the rubber

band.

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Question: `q Does the slope of the F vs stretch graph represent something? Does the area

under the curve represent the work done? If so, is it work done BY or work done ON the

rubber bands?

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Your solution:

Slope is rise over run. The slope of this particular graph would be the change in force/ change in stretch. The area under the curve represents the work that was done on the system to increase the distance of the stretch.

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Given Solution:

`a** The rise of the graph is change in force, the run is change in stretch. So slope =

rise / run = change in force / change in stretch, which the the average rate at which force

changes with respect to stretch. This basically tells us how much additional force is

exerted per unit change in the length of the rubber band.

The area is indeed with work done (work is integral of force with respect to displacement).

If the rubber band pulls against an object as is returns to equilibrium then the force it

exerts is in the direction of motion and it therefore does positive work on the object as

the object does negative work on it.

If an object stretches the rubber band then it exerts a force on the rubber band in the

direction of the rubber band's displacement, and the object does positive work on the rubber

band, while the rubber band does negative work on it. **

STUDENT QUESTION

Okay, so are you saying that the rubber band could either be doing work or getting work

done on it?

I believe I understand this, but just wanted to double check.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Yes, and that depends on whether the rubber band is being stretched, or contracting.

When it is being stretched positive work is being done on the rubber band.

After being released the rubber band does positive work on the object to which its force is

applied.

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Self-critique (if necessary):

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Query Add comments on any surprises or insights you experienced as a result of this

assignment.

I felt a bit more confident in answering these questions than I have in previous assignments. I hope it's a developing trend!"

Self-critique (if necessary):

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Self-critique rating:

Query Add comments on any surprises or insights you experienced as a result of this

assignment.

I felt a bit more confident in answering these questions than I have in previous assignments. I hope it's a developing trend!"

Self-critique (if necessary):

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@& I believe I predicted this trend in your last couple of assignments. Your hard work appears to be paying off.*@