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Your solution, attempt at solution. If you are unable to attempt a solution, give a phrase-by-phrase interpretation of the problem along with a statement of what you do or do not understand about it. This response should be given, based on the work you did in completing the assignment, before you look at the given solution.

016. Translating Arguments

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Question: `q001. There are 6 questions in this set.

Is the following argument valid? 'If it rains, the grass will get wet. If the grass gets wet, we'll be able to smell the wet grass. It rained yesterday. Therefore yesterday we were able to smell the wet grass.'

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Your solution: This argument is valid because if it rains the grass gets wet and smells, and if it did that yesterday, then you would have smelled the grass.

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

This argument certainly seems valid. We say what will happen if rains, and what will happen is that happens. Then we say that it rains, so the whole chain of happenings, rained then wet grass then smell, should follow.

STUDENT QUESTION

??? What if the grass does not smell or there’s a person unable to smell?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

None of that affects the logical validity of the argument. If the premises are accepted, then the conclusion is valid. Any argument about whether the premises are valid is not relevant to the logical validity of the argument.

Of course if the premises aren't so then it's possible the conclusion isn't so either, but that doesn't prevent the argument from being logically valid.

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Self-critique (if necessary):N/A

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Self-critique Rating:3

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Question: `q002. Is the following argument valid: 'If it snows, the roads will be slippery. If the roads are slippery they'll be safer to drive on. Yesterday it snowed. Therefore yesterday the roads were safer to drive on.'

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Your solution: The statement, in reality is untrue, but the argument is valid. It snowed and the roads were slippery, according to this person the roads are safer when slick, so yesterday the roads were safer to drive on. Truth does not come into play in the assessment

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Given Solution:

The validity of an argument has nothing to do with whether the statements in that argument are true or not. All we are allowed to do is assume that the statements are indeed true, and see if the conclusions of the argument therefore hold. In this case, we might well question the statement 'if the roads are slippery they'll be safer to drive on', which certainly seems untrue. However that has nothing to do with the validity of the argument itself. We can later choose to reject the conclusion because it is based on a faulty assumption, but we cannot say that the argument is invalid because of a faulty assumption.

This argument tells us that something will happen if it snows, and then tells us what we can conclude from that. It then tells us that it snows, and everything follows logically along a transitive chain, starting from from the first thing.

STUDENT COMMENT: so it does not matter that the roads are not safer when they're slippery, what matters is that the statement said they are when snows and snowed yesterday therefore the roads were safer yesterday

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: Right. The statements don't have to be true for the argument to be valid. Of course, if the statements aren't true then even though the argument is valid the conclusion might not be true. The old saying is 'garbage in, garbage out'. If you put 'garbage' (i.e., false statements) into a logical argument, that argument can indeed result in 'garbage' (i.e., a false statement as the logical conclusion).

STUDENT COMMENT:

According to the statement it is true, but I might question this about driving on slippery roads.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

That assumption is deliberately absurd, to help make a clear distinction between correct assumptions and correct logic.

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Self-critique (if necessary):N/A

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Self-critique Rating:3

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Question: `q003. Is the following argument valid: 'Today it will rain or it will snow. Today it didn't rain. Therefore today it snowed.'

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Your solution: Yes, it is valid because we expect it to rain or snow 100%. So if it didn’t rain, it must snow

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

If we accept the fact that it will do one thing or another, then at least one of those things must happen. If it is known that if one of those things fails to happen, then, the other must. Therefore this argument is valid.

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Self-critique (if necessary):N/A

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Self-critique Rating:3

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Question: `q004. Is the following argument valid: 'If it doesn't rain we'll have a picnic. We don't have a picnic. Therefore it rained.'

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Your solution: Yes, this is also valid. The only reason that they would not have the picnic is if it rained. They didn’t have the picnic so it had to rain

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

In this argument where told the something must happen as a result of a certain condition. That thing is not happen, so the condition cannot have been satisfied. The condition was that it doesn't rain; since this condition cannot have been satisfied that it must have rained. The argument is valid.

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Self-critique (if necessary):N/A

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Self-critique Rating:3

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Question: `q005. We can symbolize the following argument: 'If it rains, the grass gets wet. If the grass gets wet, we'll be able to smell the wet grass. It rained yesterday. Therefore yesterday we were able to smell the wet grass.' Let p stand for 'It rains', q for 'the grass gets wet' and r for 'we can smell the wet grass'. Then the first sentence forms a compound statement which we symbolize as p -> q. Symbolize the remaining statements in the argument.

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Your solution: When I look at this problem it seems hard and complex. p->q will lead off the statement. It rained so the grass is wet and we can smell it, so q->r will exist as well. So the statement should look like [(p->q) ^ (q->r) ^ p] r?

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[(p->q) ^ (q->r) ^ p] -> r

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confidence rating #$&*: 2

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Given Solution:

The argument gives three conditions, 'If it rains, the grass gets wet. If the grass gets wet, we'll be able to smell the wet grass. It rained yesterday.', which are symbolized p -> q, q -> r and p. It says that under these three conditions, the statement r, 'we can smell the wet grass', must be true. Therefore the argument can be symbolized by the complex statement [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r.

STUDENT COMMENT: becuase the statment is valid r will be on the outside of the parenthesis

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: It doesn't matter whether the statement is valid or not.

The premises go into the parentheses or brackets, the conclusion follows the -> sign.

The form of the argument is

[premises] -> conclusion,

where the premises inside the brackets are joined by conjunctions.

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Self-critique (if necessary):N/A

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Self-critique Rating:3

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Question: `q006. The preceding argument was symbolized as [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r. Determine whether this statement is true for p, q, r truth values F F T.

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Your solution: No clue, I cannot work this out, truths and truth tables are something I have not grasped yet.

confidence rating #$&*: 1

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Given Solution:

For these truth values p -> q is true since p is false (recall that the only way p -> q can be false is for p to be true and q to be false), q -> r is false since q is false, and p itself is false, therefore [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] is false. This makes [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r true, since the statement can only be false if [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] is true while r is false.

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Question: `q006. The preceding argument was symbolized as [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r. Determine whether this statement is true for p, q, r truth values F F T.

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Your solution: No clue, I cannot work this out, truths and truth tables are something I have not grasped yet.

confidence rating #$&*: 1

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Given Solution:

For these truth values p -> q is true since p is false (recall that the only way p -> q can be false is for p to be true and q to be false), q -> r is false since q is false, and p itself is false, therefore [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] is false. This makes [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r true, since the statement can only be false if [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] is true while r is false.

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Question: `q006. The preceding argument was symbolized as [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r. Determine whether this statement is true for p, q, r truth values F F T.

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Your solution: No clue, I cannot work this out, truths and truth tables are something I have not grasped yet.

confidence rating #$&*: 1

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Given Solution:

For these truth values p -> q is true since p is false (recall that the only way p -> q can be false is for p to be true and q to be false), q -> r is false since q is false, and p itself is false, therefore [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] is false. This makes [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] -> r true, since the statement can only be false if [ (p -> q) ^ (q -> r) ^ p] is true while r is false.

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Good overall, but check my note on that last question, which does not actually involve a truth table.

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