assignment20 QA

course Phy231

5/11/10 3:30pm

20.Q&A020. Forces (inclines, friction)

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Question: `q001. Note that this assignment contains 3 questions.

A 5 kg block rests on a tabletop. A string runs horizontally from the block over a pulley of negligible mass and with

negligible friction at the edge of the table. There is a 2 kg block hanging from the string. If there is no friction

between the block in the tabletop, what should be the acceleration of the system after its release?

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Your solution:

We should ignore the force of the 5kg block because the Fnet will be zero because it is resting on the tabletop.

F of the 2kg block=2kg*9.8m/s^2=19.6N

acceleration of the entire system=19.6N/7kg=2.8m/s^2

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Given Solution:

Gravity exerts a force of 5 kg * 9.8 meters/second = 49 Newtons on the block, but presumably the tabletop is strong enough

to support the block and so exerts exactly enough force, 49 Newtons upward, to support the block. The total of this

supporting force and the gravitational force is zero.

The gravitational force of 2 kg * 9.8 meters/second = 19.6 Newtons is not balanced by any force acting on the two mass

system, so we have a system of total mass 7 kg subject to a net force of 19.6 Newtons.

The acceleration of this system will therefore be 19.6 Newtons/(7 kg) = 2.8 meters/second ^ 2.

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Question: `q002. Answer the same question as that of the previous problem, except this time take into account friction

between the block in the tabletop, which exerts a force opposed to motion which is .10 times as great as the force between

the tabletop and the block. Assume that the system slides in the direction in which it is accelerated by gravity.

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Your solution:

F=5kg*9.8m/s^2=49N Ffrict=49N*.1=4.9N This will be in the opposite direction of the force of the system by gravity.

Fnet=19.6N-4.9N=14.7N

acceleration=14.7N/7kg=2.1m/s^2

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Given Solution:

Again the weight of the object is exactly balance by the upward force of the table on the block. This force has a magnitude

of 49 Newtons. Thus friction exerts a force of .10 * 49 Newtons = 4.9 Newtons. This force will act in the direction

opposite that of the motion of the system. It will therefore be opposed to the 19.6 Newton force exerted by gravity on the

2 kg object.

The net force on the system is therefore 19.6 Newtons -4.9 Newtons = 14.7 Newtons. The system will therefore accelerate at

rate a = 14.7 Newtons/(7 kg) = 2.1 meters/second ^ 2.

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Question: `q003. Answer the same question as that of the preceding problem, but this time assume that the 5 kg object is

not on a level tabletop but on an incline at an angle of 12 degrees, and with the incline descending in the direction of

the pulley.

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Your solution:

x-component=49N*cos(282deg)=10.2N

y-component=49N*sin(282deg)=-47.9N

The Ffrict is going to be in the opposite direction of the x-axis.

x-component=10.2N-4.8N=5.4N This will be going in the same direction as the 2kg force.

Fnet=5.4N+19.6N=25N

acceleration=25N/7kg=3.57m/s^2

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Given Solution:

In this case you should have drawn the incline with the x axis pointing down the incline and the y axis perpendicular to the

incline. Thus the x axis is directed 12 degrees below horizontal. As a result the weight vector, rather than being directed

along the negative y axis, lies in the fourth quadrant of the coordinate system at an angle of 12 degrees with the negative

y axis. So the weight vector makes an angle of 270 degrees + 12 degrees = 282 degrees with the positive x axis.

The weight vector, which has magnitude 5 kg * 9.8 meters/second ^ 2 = 49 Newtons, therefore has x component 49 Newtons

* cosine (282 degrees) = 10 Newtons approximately. Its y component is 49 Newtons * sine (282 degrees) = -48 Newtons, approximately.

The incline exerts sufficient force that the net y component of the force on the block is zero. The incline therefore exerts

a force of + 48 Newtons. Friction exerts a force which is .10 of this force, or .10 * 48 Newtons = 4.8 Newtons opposed to

the direction of motion. Assuming that the direction of motion is down the incline, frictional force is therefore -4.8

Newtons in the x direction.

The weight component in the x direction and the frictional force in this direction therefore total 10 Newtons +

(-4.8 Newtons) = + 5.2 Newtons. This force tends to accelerate the system in the same direction as does the weight of the

2 kg mass. This results in a net force of 5.2 Newtons + 19.6 Newtons = 24.8 Newtons on the 7 kg system.

The system therefore accelerates at rate a = (24.8 Newtons) / (7 kg) = 3.5 meters/second ^ 2, approximately.

STUDENT COMMENT:

i get confused every time about which angle to use and how to determine it, where did 270 deg come from, i used the right

equations and was on to the right answer but used the wrong numbers in the equations, but i had the right idea

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INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

The negative y axis lies at 270 deg from the positive x axis, as measured counterclockwise.

When the coordinate system is rotated 12 degrees in the manner described, the weight vector stays where it is, but the y

negative axis swings 'back' 12 degrees and the angle of the weight vector becomes 282 degrees.

MORE EXTENSIVE EXPLANATION

The weight is in the downward vertical direction, which matches the direction of the original vertical-horizontal coordinate

system. So in the original system the weight vector is at 270 degrees. However the positive x axis of the original coordinate

system doesn't match the direction of motion along the incline.

It's generally simpler to have the x axis parallel to the direction of motion. To accomplish this we rotate the coordinate

system 12 degrees in the clockwise direction. As the coordinate system is rotated, the positive x axis rotates to an

orientation 12 degrees below horizontal, and the negative y axis 'swings out' 12 degrees from its original vertical

orientation. This leaves the vertical weight vector in the fourth quadrant, 12 degrees from the newly oriented negative y

axis. As measure counterclockwise from the positive x axis, the weight vector is now at angle 282 degrees.

The first figure below depicts a weight vector with its initial point at the origin of an x-y coordinate system in standard

vertical-horizontal orientation. It should be clear that the vector is at angle 270 degrees, as measured counterclockwise

from the positive x axis.

The second figure shows the same weight vector, which is still vertical, but with the coordinate system rotated so that the

positive x axis is directed down a 12-degree incline. It should be clear that negative y axis will have rotated 12 degrees

from its original position so that the weight vector is now at 282 degrees.

STUDENT QUESTION

I have read both of the explanatons I am still not sure where the 270 degrees is coming from, how do we calculate this

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The above discussion is fairly long, and involves an idea that is difficult for many students.

The following should provide a convenient summary of the key ideas.

If this point-by-point summary doesn't clarify everything for you, please submit a copy of these questions along with

inserted comments, questions, etc. (insertions should be marked with &&&&).

1.If the x-y coordinate system is in its 'standard orientation', with the x axis horizontal, pointing to the right, and the

y axis vertical and upward, then gravity pulls straight down, along the negative y axis.

2.The negative y axis of this system is at 270 degrees as measured counterclockwise from the positive x axis.

3.If the coordinate system is rotated 12 degrees in the clockwise direction, then the x axis now points slightly below

horizontal, and the y axis is 12 degrees from vertical.

4.The gravitational force is still vertical, so the gravitational force is no longer in the direction of the negative y axis.

It is now directed at an angle of 12 degrees from the negative y axis.

5.The gravitational force is no longer at 270 degrees, since the rotation of the system has rotated the y axis away from

vertical.

6.The gravitational force is now in the fourth quadrant of the rotated system, directed at 282 degrees.

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