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016. `query 16

Physics I

03-22-2008

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22:13:48

Class notes #15

When a projectile rolls off a ramp with its velocity in the horizontal direction, why do we expect that its horizontal range `dx will be proportional to the square root of its vertical displacement `dy rolling down the ramp?

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The ball achieves a horizontal velocity that is directly proportional to its vertical displacement. Since the horizontal range is a function of the horizontal velocity at the time the ball leaves the ramp, it follows that the vertical displacement is proportional to the horizontal range.

confidence assessment: 2

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22:14:10

** Since the initial vertical velocity is zero the time of fall for a given setup will always be the same. Therefore the horizontal range is proportional to the horizontal velocity of the projectile.

The horizontal velocity is attained as a result of vertical displacement `dy, with gravitational PE being converted to KE. PE loss is proportional to `dy, so the KE of the ball as it leaves the ramp will be proportional to `dy. Since KE = .5 m v^2, v is proportional to sqrt( KE ), therefore to sqrt(y). **

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self critique assessment: 3

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22:16:53

In the preceding situation why do we expect that the kinetic energy of the ball will be proportional to `dy?

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Because the KE energy in the form of velocity is going to be some amount (5/7 according to the notes) of the PE that the ball loses as it descends from the top of the ramp to the bottom. This amount `dy represents the vertical distance that the ball is raised, and thus represents its gravitational PE.

confidence assessment: 2

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22:19:40

** This question should have specified just the KE in the vertical direction. The kinetic energy of the ball in the vertical direction will be proportional to `dy.

The reason:

The vertical velocity attained by the ball is vf = `sqrt(v0^2 + 2 a `ds).

Since the initial vertical velocity is 0, for distance of fall `dy we have vf = `sqrt( 2 a `dy ), showing that the vertical velocity is proportional to the square root of the distance fallen.

Since KE is .5 m v^2, the KE will be proportional to the square of the velocity, hence to the square of the square root of `dy.

Thus KE is proportional to `dy. **

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I haven't answered these last two questions with equations, but rather with statements. Hopefully this is sufficient?

self critique assessment: 2

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22:22:17

Why do we expect that the KE of the ball will in fact be less than the PE change of the ball?

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Because of two factors:

1) Because friction always plays some small role.

2) Because the ball is also a rolling object, and it is translating some of its KE as rotational KE.

confidence assessment: 2

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22:22:45

** STUDENT RESPONSE: Because actually some of the energy will be dissapated in the rotation of the ball as it drops?

INSTRUCTOR COMMENT: Good, but note that rotation doesn't dissipate KE, it merely accounts for some of the KE. Rotational KE is recoverable--for example if you place a spinning ball on an incline the spin can carry the ball a ways up the incline, doing work in the process.

The PE loss is converted to KE, some into rotational KE which doesn't contribute to the range of the ball and some of which simply makes the ball spin.

ANOTHER STUDENT RESPONSE: And also the loss of energy due to friction and conversion to thermal energy.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENT: Good. There would be a slight amount of air friction and this would dissipate energy as you describe here, as would friction with the ramp (which would indeed result in dissipation in the form of thermal energy). **

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self critique assessment: 2

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22:27:45

prin phy and gen phy 6.18 work to stop 1250 kg auto from 105 km/hr

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m = 1250 kg

v = 105 km/hr = 105000 m/hr = 29.167 m/s

KE = .5mv^2 = .5 * 1250 kg * 29.167 m/s^2

KE = 625 kg * 850.694 m^2/s^2

KE = 531684 J = Amount of work to stop the car

confidence assessment: 2

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22:27:56

The work required to stop the automobile, by the work-energy theorem, is equal and opposite to its change in kinetic energy: `dW = - `dKE.

The initial KE of the automobile is .5 m v^2, and before calculating this we convert 105 km/hr to m/s: 105 km/hr = 105 km / hr * 1000 m / km * 1 hr / 3600 s = 29.1 m/s. Our initial KE is therefore

KE = .5 m v^2 = .5 * 1250 kg * (29.1 m/s)^2 = 530,000 kg m^2 / s^2 = 530,000 J.

The car comes to rest so its final KE is 0. The change in KE is therefore -530,000 J.

It follows that the work required to stop the car is `dW = - `dKE = - (-530,000 J) = 530,000 J.

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self critique assessment: 3

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22:36:56

prin and gen phy 6.26. spring const 440 N/m; stretch required to store 25 J of PE.

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PE = .5kx^2 where x is spring `ds and k is stiffness constant.

25 J = .5 * 440 N/m * x^2

25 J = 220 N/m * x^2

25 J / 220 N/m = x^2

.1136 = x^2

x = .337 m

I think my units cancelled out in this equation. I think I did something wrong, but I am not quite sure what.

confidence assessment: 1

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22:41:57

The force exerted by a spring at equilibrium is 0, and the force at position x is - k x, so the average force exerted between equilibrium and position x is (0 + (-kx) ) / 2 = -1/2 k x. The work done by the spring as it is stretched from equilibrium to position x, a displacment of x, is therefore `dW = F * `ds = -1/2 k x * x = -1/2 k x^2. The only force exerted by the spring is the conservative elastic force, so the PE change of the spring is therefore `dPE = -`dW = - (-1/2 kx^2) = 1/2 k x^2. That is, the spring stores PE = 1/2 k x^2.

In this situation k = 440 N / m and the desired PE is 25 J. Solving PE = 1/2 k x^2 for x (multiply both sides by 2 and divide both sides by k, then take the square root of both sides) we obtain

x = +-sqrt(2 PE / k) = +-sqrt( 2 * 25 J / (440 N/m) ) = +- sqrt( 50 kg m^2 / s^2 / ( (440 kg m/s^2) / m) )= +- sqrt(50 / 440) sqrt(kg m^2 / s^2 * (s^2 / kg) ) = +- .34 sqrt(m^2) = +-.34 m.

The spring will store 25 J of energy at either the +.34 m or the -.34 m position.

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I had thought that Newton meters was essentially the same as Joules... literally Newtons per meter. It looks like in this example you expressed Joules as:

kg m^2/s^2

but Newton / m as:

kg m/s^2 / m

and then the meters cancelled out.

I think I am missing something here.

self critique assessment: 2

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22:52:16

gen phy text problem 6.19 88 g arrow 78 cm ave force 110 N, speed?

What did you get for the speed of the arrow?

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m = 88g = .088 kg

F = 110 N

`ds = 78 cm = .78m

v0 = 0

a = f/m = 110 N/.088kg = 1250 m/s/s

vf^2 = 0 + 2a`ds = 2*1250 m/s/s * .78m

vf^2 = 1950m^2/s^2

vf= +- 44.15 m/s

44.15 m/s = speed of the arrow

confidence assessment: 2

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22:55:21

** 110 N acting through 78 cm = .78 m does work `dW = 110 N * .78 m = 86 Joules appxo..

If all this energy goes into the KE of the arrow then we have a mass of .088 kg with 86 Joules of KE. We can solve

.5 m v^2 = KE for v, obtaining

| v | = sqrt( 2 * KE / m) = sqrt(2 * 86 Joules / (.088 kg) ) = sqrt( 2000 kg m^2 / s^2 * 1 / kg) = sqrt(2000 m^2 / s^2) = 44 m/s, approx.. **

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For some reason I am not as comfortable using the .5mv^2 equations as I am with the uniform motion equations. I still tend to frame these problems in my mind as uniform motion problems, even though it is easier to reach a solution by calculating the KE and solving for v. It just didn't occur to me to do it this way.

self critique assessment: 2

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22:55:31

query univ phy 6.84 (6.74 10th edition) bow full draw .75 m, force from 0 to 200 N to 70 N approx., mostly concave down.

What will be the speed of the .0250 kg arrow as it leaves the bow?

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not univ phy

confidence assessment: 3

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22:55:37

** The work done to pull the bow back is represented by the area beneath the force vs. displacement curve. The curve could be approximated by a piecewise straight line from about 0 to 200 N then back to 70 N. The area beneath this graph would be about 90 N m or 90 Joules. The curve itself probably encloses a bit more area than the straight line, so let's estimate 100 Joules (that's probably a little high, but it's a nice round number).

If all the energy put into the pullback goes into the arrow then we have a .0250 kg mass with kinetic energy 100 Joules.

Solving KE = .5 m v^2 for v we get v = sqrt(2 KE / m) = sqrt( 2 * 100 Joules / ( .025 kg) ) = sqrt(8000 m^2 / s^2) = 280 m/s, approx. **

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self critique assessment: 3

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