Asst_32_Query

course PHY 201

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05-04-2008

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11:15:52

Query experiment to be viewed. What part or parts of the system experiences a potential energy decrease? What part or parts of the system experience(s) a kinetic energy increase?

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The paper clips on the string experience a decrease in their gravitational PE. The disk experiences an increase in its kinetic PE.

kinetic PE isn't a correct reference; just KE would be correct.

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11:16:09

** The mass on the string descends and loses PE.

The wheel and the descending mass both increase in KE, as do the other less massive parts of the system (e.g., the string) and slower-moving parts (e.g., the axel, which rotates at the same rate as the wheel but which due to its much smaller radius does not move nearly as fast as most of the wheel). **

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11:16:42

What part or parts of the system experience(s) an increase in angular kinetic energy?

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The disk and the axle experience and increase in angular kinetic energy.

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11:16:50

** The wheel, the bolts, the axle, and anything else that's rotating experiences an increase in angular KE. **

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11:17:49

What part or parts of the system experience(s) an increasing translational kinetic energy?

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The string and paper clips experience translational kinetic energy.

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11:17:55

** Only the descending mass experiences an increase in translational KE. **

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11:19:32

Does any of the bolts attached to the Styrofoam wheel gain more kinetic energy than some other bolt? Explain.

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Yes, the bolts toward the outside of the mass are traveling at a greater absolute velocity, so therefore the experience a greater total kinetic energy increase. They have the same angular velocity as the other bolts however.

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11:19:38

** The bolts toward the outside of the wheel are moving at a greater velocity relative to some fixed point, so their kinetic energy is greater since k = 1/2 m v^2 **

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11:21:38

What is the moment of inertia of the Styrofoam wheel and its bolts?

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The moment of inertia for the wheel:

1/2 mWheel*rWheel^2

Summed with the moment of inertia of each bolt set:

mbolts * rBolts ^2

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11:21:50

** The moment of inertia for the center of its mass=its radias times angular velocity.

Moment of inertia of a bolt is m r^2, where m is the mass and r is the distance from the center of mass. The moment of inertia of the styrofoam wheel is .5 M R^2, where M is its mass and R its radius. The wheel with its bolts has a moment of inertia which is equal to the sum of all these components. **

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11:25:03

How do we determine the angular kinetic energy of of wheel by measuring the motion of the falling mass?

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I guess there are a couple of different ways.

We could use the length of the string in conjunction with the circumference of the axle to determine the number of radians that the wheel turns.

We could also determine the the force in N of the falling mass and use the time that it is falling in conjunction with the moment of inertia of the wheel to determine the rate of alpha over the given time.

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11:25:25

** STUDENT ANSWER AND INSTRUCTOR CRITIQUE: The mass falls at a constant acceleration, so the wheel also turns this fast.

INSTRUCTOR CRITIQUE: We don't use the acceleration to find the angular KE, we use the velocity. The acceleration, if known, can be used to find the velocity.

However in this case what we are really interested in is the final velocity of the falling mass, which is equal to the velocity of the part of the wheel around which it is wound. If we divide the velocity of this part of the wheel by the its radius we get the angular velocity of the wheel. **

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11:38:15

Principles of Physics and General College Physics problem 8.43: Energy to bring centrifuge motor with moment of inertia 3.75 * 10^-2 kg m^2 to 8250 rpm from rest.

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omegaf = 8250 rpm / 60 = 137.5 rps * 2`pi = 863.94 rad/s

KE = .5 * 3.75 * 10^-2 kg m^2 * 863.94 rad/s^2

KE = 13994.86 J

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11:39:17

The KE of a rotating object is

KE = .5 I omega^2,

where I is the moment of inertia and omega the angular velocity.

Since I is given in standard units of kg m^2, the angular velocity should be expressed in the standard units rad / sec. Since 8250 rpm = (8250 rpm) * (pi / 30 rad/sec) / rpm = 860 rad/sec, approx..

The initial KE is 0, and from the given information the final KE is

KE_f = .5 I omega_f ^ 2 = .5 * 3.75 * 10^-2 kg m^2 * (860 rad/sec)^2 = 250 pi^2 kg m^2 / sec^2 = 14000 Joules.

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12:14:26

Query gen problem 8.58 Estimate KE of Earth around Sun (6*10^24 kg, 6400 km rad, 1.5 * 10^8 km orb rad) and about its axis.

What is the angular kinetic energy of the Erath due to its rotation about the Sun?

What is the angular kinetic energy of the Earth due to its rotation about its axis?

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The velocity of the earth about the sun is 2`pi rad / 365 / 24 / 60 / 60 = 1.99 x 10^-7 rad/s

The velocity of the earth about its axis is 2`pi rad / 24 / 60 / 60 = 7.27 x 10^-5 rad/s

Moment of inertia of earth (about the sun) is 6*10^24 kg * (1.5 x 10^8 km)^2 = 1.35x10^41 kg m^2

Moment of inertia of earth (about its axis) is 2/5 * 6*10^24 kg * (6.4 x 10^6 km)^2 = 9.8304x10^37 kg m^2

Angular KE of earth about the sun is .5 * 1.35x10^41 kg m^2 * 1.99 x 10^-7 rad/s^2 = 2.673 x 10^27 kg m^2 rad^2/s^2

Angular KE of the earth about its axis is .5 * 9.8304x10^37 kg m^2 * (7.27 x 10^-5 rad/s)^2 = 2.598 x 10^29 kg m^2 rad^2/s^2

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12:54:27

** The circumference of the orbit is 2pi*r = 9.42*10^8 km.

We divide the circumference by the time required to move through that distance to get the speed of Earth in its orbit about the Sun:

9.42 * 10^8 km / (365days * 24 hrs / day * 3600 s / hr) =29.87 km/s or 29870 m/s.

Dividing the speed by the radius we obtain the angular velocity:

omega = (29.87 km/s)/ (1.5*10^8 km) = 1.99*10^-7 rad/s.

From this we get the angular KE:

KE = 1/2 mv^2 = 1/2 * 6*10^24 kg * (29870 m/s)^2 = 2.676*10^33 J.

Alternatively, and more elegantly, we can directly find the angular velocity, dividing the 2 pi radian angular displacement of a complete orbit by the time required for the orbit. We get

omega = 2 pi rad / (365days * 24 hrs / day * 3600 s / hr) = 1.99 * 10^-7 rad/s.

The moment of inertia of Earth in its orbit is M R^2 = 6 * 10^24 kg * (1.5 * 10^11 m)^2 = 1.35 * 10^47 kg m^2.

The angular KE of the orbit is therefore

KE = .5 * I * omega^2 = .5 * (1.35 * 10^47 kg m^2) * (1.99 * 10^-7 rad/s)^2 = 2.7 * 10^33 J.

The two solutions agree, up to roundoff errors.

The angular KE of earth about its axis is found from its angular velocity about its axis and its moment of inertia about its axis.

The moment of inertia is

I=2/5 M r^2=6*10^24kg * ( 6.4 * 10^6 m)^2 = 9.83*10^37kg m^2.

The angular velocity of the Earth about its axis is 1 revolution / 24 hr = 2 pi rad / (24 hr * 3600 s / hr) = 7.2 * 10^-5 rad/s, very approximately.

So the angular KE of Earth about its axis is about

KE = .5 I omega^2 = .5 * 9.8 * 10^37 kg m^2 * (7.2 * 10^-5 rad/s)^2 = 2.5 * 10^29 Joules. **

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13:14:33

Query problem 8.60 uniform disk at 2.4 rev/sec; nonrotating rod of equal mass, length equal diameter, dropped concentric with disk. Resulting angular velocity?

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assuming KE is equal before and after:

.5 * I * (2.4*2`pi)^2 = .5 * I' * (x*2`pi)^2

113.7 * I = 113.7 * I' * x^2

I = I' * x^2

x = sqrt(I/I')

I = .5 * m * r^2

Irod = 1/12 * m * 2r^2

I' = I + Irod

I' = .5mr^2 + 1/6mr^2

Plug these in:

x = sqrt( .5mr^2 / .5mr^2 + 1/6 mr^2) = 6mr^2

I have no idea if this is even remotey close to the right answer.

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13:17:49

** The moment of inertia of the disk is I = 2/5 M R^2; the moment of inertia of the rod about its center is 1/12 M L^2. The axis of rotation of each is the center of the disk so L = R. The masses are equal, so we find that the moments of inertia can be expressed as 2/5 M R^2 and 1/12 M R^2.

The combined moment of inertia is therefore 2/5 M R^2 + 1/12 M R^2 = 29/60 M R^2, and the ratio of the combined moment of inertia to the moment of the disk is

ratio = (29/60 M R^2) / (2/5 M R^2) = 29/60 / (2/5) = 29/60 * 5/2 = 145 / 120 = 29 / 24.

Since angular momentum I * omega is conserved an increase in moment of inertia I results in a proportional decrease in angular velocity omega so we end up with

final angular velocity = 24 / 29 * initial angular velocity = 24 / 29 * 2.4 rev / sec = 2 rev/sec, approximately.

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That problem totally blew my mind. I got lost in my own crazy equations.

During a collision of two isolated masses the masses exert equal and opposite net forces on one another for equal times, resulting in F_ave `dt being equal and opposite, so that m vf - m v0 is equal and opposite (i.e., momentum changes are equal and opposite) and momentum is conserved. However the forces are not necessarily delivered over equal and opposite displacements, or anything of the sort, so we don't expect that KE changes will be equal and opposite, or anything of the sort. It is momentum, not KE, that is conserved in collisions. In some collisions, though, KE is conserved and such collisions are called elastic collisions.

Similarly with interactions of two isolated rotating objects, equal and opposite torques are involved, resulting in equal and opposite changes in angular momentum I omega. So the total angular momentum remains constant. However there is no guarantee that angular kinetic energy is conserved, and in most cases it is not.

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13:18:12

Univ. 10.64 (10.56 10th edition). disks 2.5 cm and .8 kg, 5.0 cm and 1.6 kg, welded, common central axis. String around smaller, 1.5 kg block suspended. Accel of block? Then same bu wrapped around larger.

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not univ phy

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13:18:14

** The moment of inertia of each disk is .5 M R^2; the block lies at perpendicular distance from the axis which is equal to the radius of the disk to which it is attached. So the moment of inertia of the system, with block suspended from the smaller disk, is

I = .5 (.8 kg) * ( .025 m)^2 + .5 * 1.6 kg * (.05 m)^2 + (1.5 kg * .025 m)^2= .0032 kg m^2 approx.

The 1.5 kg block suspended from the first disk results in torque

tau = F * x = .025 m * 1.5 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 = .37 m N approx.

The resulting angular acceleration is

alpha = tau / I = .37 m N / (.0032 kg m^2) = 115 rad/s^2 approx.

The acceleration of the block is the same as the acceleration of a point on the rim of the wheel, which is

a = alpha * r = 115 rad/s^2 * .025 m = 2.9 m/s^2 approx.

The moment of inertia of the system, with block suspended from the larger disk, is

I = .5 (.8 kg) * ( .025 m)^2 + .5 * 1.6 kg * (.05 m)^2 + (1.5 kg * .05 m)^2= .006 kg m^2 approx.

The 1.5 kg block suspended from the first disk results in torque

tau = F * x = .05 m * 1.5 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 = .74 m N approx.

The resulting angular acceleration is

alpha = tau / I = .74 m N / (.006 kg m^2) = 120 rad/s^2 approx.

The acceleration of the block is the same as the acceleration of a point on the rim of the wheel, which is

a = alpha * r = 120 rad/s^2 * .05 m = 6 m/s^2 approx. **

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Good work, but see my note on that last problem regarding conservation of kinetic energy (not guaranteed since energy can change form) and coservation of momentum and angular momentum (guaranteed because forces and/or torques are equal and opposite).