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Question: `qprin phy and gen phy problem 4.02 net

force 265 N on bike and rider accelerates at 2.30 m/s^2,

mass of bike and rider

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Your solution:

Fnet/m=a,

Fnet/a=m,

(265kg*m/s^2)/2.3m/s^2=m,

m=115kg approximate

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Given Solution:

`aA force Fnet acting on mass m results in acceleration

a, where a = Fnet / m. We are given Fnet and a, so we

can solve the equation to find m.

Multiplying both sides by m we get

a * m = Fnet / m * m so

a * m = Fnet. Dividing both sides of this equation by a

we have

m = Fnet / a = 265 N / (2.30 m/s^2) = 115 (kg m/s^2) /

(m/s^2) = 115 kg.

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Question: `qprin phy and gen phy problem 4.07 force

to accelerate 7 g pellet to 125 m/s in .7 m barrel

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Your solution:

7g=7/1000kg,

Fnet*'ds=1/2*m*v^2

Fnet*.7m=1/2*.007kg*(125m/s)^2,

Fnet=(1/2*.007kg*(125m/s)^2)/.7m,

Fnet=78kg*m/s^2,

Fnet=78N approximate.

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Given Solution:

`a** The initial velocity of the bullet is zero and the

final velocity is 125 m/s. If we assume uniform

acceleration (not necessarily the case but not a bad

first approximation) the average velocity is (0 + 125

m/s) / 2 = 62.5 m/s and the time required for the trip

down the barrel is .7 m / (62.5 m/s) = .011 sec,

approx..

Acceleration is therefore rate of velocity change = `dv

/ `dt = (125 m/s - 0 m/s) / (.011 sec) = 11000 m/s^2,

approx..

The force on the bullet is therefore F = m a = .007 kg *

11000 m/s^2 = 77 N approx. **

STUDENT COMMENT:

I did my answer a different way and came up with a

number just off of this. I calculated 78 and this

solution shows an answer of 77, but I am positive that I

did my work right.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

The results of my numerical calculations are always to

be regarded as 'fuzzy'. The calculations are done

mentally and there is often no intent to be exact. This

at the very least encourages students to do the

arithmetic and think about significant figures for

themselves.

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Question: `qgen phy 4.08. A fish is being pulled

upward. The breaking strength of the line holding the

fish is 22 N. An acceleration of 2.5 m/s^2 breaks the

line. What can we say about the mass of the fish?

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Your solution:

Fnet = 22N up - mass of fish*gravity down,

m*2.5m/s^2 = 22N - m*9.8m/s^2,

m(12.3m/s^2)=22kg*m/s^2

m=(22kg*m/s^2)/(12.3m/s^2),

m=1.8kg approximate

If the line breaks with a 1.8kg mass accelerated at

2.5m/s^2 the fish must have a mass of at least 1.8kg.

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Given Solution:

`aThe fish is being pulled upward by the tension,

downward by gravity. The net force on the fish is

therefore equal to the tension in the line, minus the

force exerted by gravity. In symbols, Fnet = T - M g,

where M is the mass of the fish. (We use capital M for

the mass of the fish to distinguish the symbol for mass

from the symbol m for meter).

To accelerate a fish of mass M upward at 2.5 m/s^2 the

net force must be Fnet = M a = M * 2.5 m/s^2. Combined

with the preceding we have the condition

M * 2.5 m/s^2 = T - M g so that to provide this force we

require

T = M * 2.5 m/s^2 + M g = M * 2.5 m/s^2 + M * 9.8 m/s^2

= M * 12.3 m/s^2.

We know that the line breaks, so the tension must exceed

the 22 N breaking strength of the line. So T > 22 N.

Thus

M * 12.3 m/s^2 > 22 N. Solving this inequality for m we

get

M > 22 N / (12.3 m/s^2) = 22 kg m/s^2 / (12.3 m/s^2) =

1.8 kg.

The fish has a mass exceeding 1.8 kg.

STUDENT QUESTION

I had trouble understanding this question to begin

with. I am a little confused on why the net force equals

an acceleration of 12.3.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

F_net = M a = M * 2.5 m/s^2, as expressed in the

equation F_net = T - m g so that

M * 2.5 m/s^2 = T - M g.

It is the tension, not the net force, that ends up with

a factor of 12.3 m/s^2:

T = F_net + M g = M * 2.5 m/s^2 + M * 9.8 m/s^2, which

is where the 12.3 m/s^2 comes from.

Nothing actually accelerates at 12.3 m/s^2, just as

nothing in this system accelerates at 9.8 m/s^2.

9.8 m/s^2 is the acceleration of gravity so M * 9.8

m/s^2 is the force exerted by gravity on the fish.

M * 2.5 m/s^2 is the net force on the fish.

To not only pull the fish upward against gravity, but to

also accelerate it at 2.5 m/s^2, requires a tension

force of M * 2.5 m/s^2 in addition to the force required

to overcome gravity.

Thus the tension force is M * 2.5 m/s^2 + M * 9.8 m/s^2

= M * 12.3 m/s^2.

STUDENT QUESTION

So the T does not really factor out of the equation it

is just known that it is greater thatn or less than the

Fnet?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Fnet is M * 2.5 m/s^2.

We know that T = M * 12.3 m/s^2.

We know that since the string breaks T is at least 22 N.

So M * 12.3 m/s^2 is at least 22 N, and M must be at

least 22 N / 12.3 m/s^2 = 1.8 kg.

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Question: `quniv phy 4.42 (11th edition 4.38)

parachutist 55 kg with parachute, upward 620 N force.

What are the weight and acceleration of parachutist?

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parachutist weight = m*a,

Weight = 55kg*9.8m/s^2,

Weight = 539N,

Weight = 540N approximate

Fnet=m*a,

620N-540N=55kg*a,

(80kg*m/s^2)/55kg=a

1.5m/s^2=a approximate.

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Question: `qDescribe the free body diagram you drew.

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Your solution:

Two opposing forces.

One up at +620N and one down at -540N.

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Given Solution:

`aThe weight of the parachutist is 55 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 =

540 N, approx.. So the parachutist experiences a

downward force of 540 N and an upward force of 620 N.

Choosing upward as the positive direction the forces are

-540 N and + 620 N, so the net force is

-540 + 620 N = 80 N.

Your free body diagram should clearly show these two

forces, one acting upward and the other downward. The

acceleration of the parachutist is a = Fnet / m = +80 N

/ (55 kg) = 1.4 m/s^2, approx..

STUDENT COMMENT

I am having a hard time still yet understanding

conversions, Ex) kg*m/s^2 = N, these hard for me to

compute. they are not as hard since zi’ve been

working with them but I am still having some trouble.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

force = mass * acceleration, so the unit of force is the

unit of mass * the unit of acceleration, i.e., kg *

(m/s^2).

We call this a Newton, but if you go back to the basic

law you see why the basic unit is kg * m/s^2.

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Question: `quniv phy (4.34 10th edition) A fish

hangs from a spring balance, which is in turn hung from

the roof of an elevator. The balance reads 50 N when

the elevator is accelerating at 2.45 m/s^2 in the upward

direction.

What is the net force on the fish when the balance reads

50 N?

What is the true weight of the fish, under what

circumstances will the balance read 30 N, and what will

the balance read after the cable holding the fish

breaks?

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Your solution:

Ffish=m*a,

Fspring=50N up,

Fg=m*g down,

m*a+m*g=50N,

m(a+g)=50N,

m=50N/(a+g),

m=(50kg*m/s^2)/(2.45m/s^2+9.8m/s^2),

m=4 kg approximate.

Weight = m*a

Weight = 4kg*9.8m/s^2,

Weight = 39.2N

Fnet = 50N-39.2N = 10.8N up

Fnet = 30N - 39.2N = -9.2N

F=m*a,

-9.2kg*m/s^2=4kg*a,

(-9.2kg*m/s^2)4kg=a,

-2.3m/s^2=a The elevator would be going down.

If the cable breaks the fish and the balance will fall.

There will be no force opposing the fish so the balance

should read zero.

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Given Solution:

`a** Weight is force exerted by gravity.

Net force is Fnet = m * a. The forces acting on the

fish are the 50 N upward force exerted by the cable and

the downward force m g exerted by gravity.

So m a = 50 N - m g, which we solve for m to get

m = 50 N / (a + g) = 50 N / (2.45 m/s^2 + 9.8 m/s^2) =

50 N / 12.25 m/s^2 = 4 kg.

If the balance reads 30 N then

F_net = m a = 30 N - m g = 30 N - 4 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 = -

9.2 N so

a = -9.2 N / (4 kg) = -2.3 m/s^2; i.e., the elevator is

accelerating downward at 2.3 m/s^2.

If the cable breaks then the fish and everything else in

the elevator will accelerate downward at 9.8 m/s^2. Net

force will be -m g; net force is also Fbalance - m g.

So

-m g = Fbalance - m g and we conclude that the balance

exerts no force. So it reads 0. **

STUDENT COMMENT

I totally messed this problem up. I still have a hard

time knowing how to setup my problems, but I understand

solution

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

There are usually numerous ways to set up a given

problem.

In the case of this problem you want to start with

Newton's Second Law, which you did.

Having calculated the net force you could have set it

equal to 50 N - m g, which would have given you

12.5 N = 50 N - m g

with solution

m = (50 N - 12.5 N) / g = (50 N - 12.5 N) / (9.8 m/s^2)

= 4 kg, very approximately

The symbolic equation would be

m a = T - m g

with solution

m = T / (a + g)

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Self-critique (if necessary):

I cheated on this one. I peaked at the solution to get

started. After working through this one I went back and

solved the problem about the fish on the line because it

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`qSTUDENT QUESTION:

I had trouble with the problems involving tension in

lines. For example the Fish prob.

Prob#9 A person yanks a fish out of water at 4.5 m/s^2

acceleration. His line is rated at 22 Newtons Max, His

line breaks, What is the mass of the fish.

Here's what I did.

Sum of F = Fup + F down

-22 N = 4.5 m/s^2 * m(fish) - 9.8 m/s^2 * m(fish)

-22N = -5.3 m/s^2 m(fish)

m(fish) = 4.2 kg

I know its wrong, I just don't know what to do.I had the

same problem with the elevator tension on problem 17.

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Your solution:

Force up = m*4.5m/s^2,

Force down = m*9.8m/s^2,

Line breaks at 22N

m*4.5m/s^2=22N-(m*9.8m/s^2),

(m*4.5m/s^2)+(m*9.8m/s^2)=22kg*m/s^2,

m(4.5m/s^2+9.8m/s^2)=22kg*m/s^2,

m=(22kg*m/s^2)/(4.5m/s^2+9.8m/s^2),

m=1.5kg approximate

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Given Solution:

`a** Think in terms of net force.

The net force on the fish must be Fnet = m a = m * 4.5

m/s^2.

Net force is tension + weight = T - m g, assuming the

upward direction is positive. So

T - m g = m a and

T = m a + m g. Factoring out m we have

T = m ( a + g ) so that

m = T / (a + g) = 22 N / (4.5 m/s^2 + 9.8 m/s^2) = 22 N

/ (14.3 m/s^2) = 1.8 kg, approx..

The same principles apply with the elevator. **

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