PH1 Query 17

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course PHY 201

10/29/2011 3:00 PM

If your solution to stated problem does not match the given solution, you should self-critique per

instructions at

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fall_05/levl1_22/levl2_81/file3_259.htm

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Your solution, attempt at solution. If you are unable

to attempt a solution, give a phrase-by-phrase

interpretation of the problem along with a statement

of what you do or do not understand about it. This

response should be given, based on the work you did in

completing the assignment, before you look at the

given solution.

017. `query 17

ANSWERS/COMMENTARY FOR QUERY 17

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Question: `qprin phy and gen phy 6.33: jane at 5.3

m/s; how high can she swing up that vine?

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Your solution:

KE=1/2*m*v^2,

PE=m*g*h,

at the bottom of the swing KE=PE,

1/2*m*v^2=m*g*h

v^2=2*g*h,

v^2/(2*g)=h,

(5.3m/s)^2/(2*(9.8m/s^2))=h,

1.4m/s=h

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Given Solution:

Outline of solution:

Jane has KE. She goes higher by increasing her

gravitational PE.

Her KE is 1/2 m v_0^2, where m is her mass and v0 is

her velocity (in this case, 6.3 m/s^2). If she can

manage to convert all her KE to gravitational PE, her

KE will decrease to 0 (a decrease of 1/2 m v0^2) and

her gravitational PE will therefore increase by amount

1/2 m v_0^2.

The increase in her gravitational PE is m g `dy,

where m is again her mass and `dy is the increase in

her altitude.

Thus we have

PE increase = KE loss

In symbols this is written

m g `dy = 1/2 m v0^2.

The symbol m stands for Jane's mass, and we can also

divide both sides by m to get

g `dy = 1/2 v0^2.

Since we know g = 9.8 m/s^2 and v0 = 6.3 m/s, we can

easily find `dy.

`dy = v0^2 / (2 g)

which is easily evaluated to obtain `dy = 1.43 m.

MORE DETAILED SOLUTION:

Jane is going to convert her KE to gravitational PE.

We assume that nonconservative forces are negligible,

so that `dKE + `dPE = 0 and `dPE = -`dKE.

Jane's KE is .5 M v^2, where M is her mass. Assuming

she swings on the vine until she comes to rest at her

maximum height, the change in her KE is therefore

`dKE = KEf - KE0 = 0 - .5 M v0^2 = - .5 M v0^2, where

v0 is her initial velocity.

Her change in gravitational PE is M g `dy, where `dy

is the change in her vertical position. So we have

`dKE = - `dPE, or

- 1/2 M v0^2 = - ( M g `dy), which we solve for `dy

(multiply both sides by -1, divide both sides by M g)

to obtain

`dy = v0^2 / (2 g) = (5.3 m/s)^2 / (2 * 9.8 m/s^2) =

1.43 m.

STUDENT QUESTION:

I’m confused as to where the 2 g came from

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

You are referring to the 2 g in the last line.

We have in the second-to-last line

- 1/2 M v0^2 = - ( M g `dy). Dividing both sides by -

M g, and reversing the right- and left-hand sides, we

obtain

`dy = - 1/2 M v0^2 / (M g) = 1/2 v0^2 / g = v0^2 / (2

g).

STUDENT QUESTION

do we get dy'=v0^2/2g will this always be the case?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Most basic idea:

On the simplest level, this is a conversion of PE to

KE. This is the first thing you should understand.

The initial KE will change to PE, so the change in PE

is equal to the initial KE.

In this case the change in PE is m g `dy. For other

situations and other conservative forces the

expression for `dPE will be very different.

The simplest equation for this problem is therefore

init KE = increase in PE so that

1/2 m v0^2 = m g `dy

More general way of thinking about this problem:

More generally we want to think in terms of KE change

and PE change. We avoid confusion by not worrying

about whether each change is a loss or a gain.

Whenever conservative forces are absent, or being

regarded as negligible, we can set the expression for

KE change, plus the expression for PE change, equal to

zero.

In the present example, KE change is (final KE -

initial KE) = (0 - 1/2 m v^2) = -1/2 m v^2, while PE

change is m g `dy.

We get the equation

-1/2 m v0^2 + m g `d y = 0.

This equation is easily rearranged to get our original

equation 1/2 m v0^2 = m g `dy.

The very last step in setting up the problem should be

to write out the expressions for KE and PE changes.

The expression for PE change, for example, depends

completely on the nature of the conservative force.

For gravitational PE near the surface of the Earth,

that expression is m g `dy. For gravitational PE where

distance from the surface changes significantly the

expression would be G M m / r1 - G M m / r2. For a

spring it would be 1/2 k x2^2 = 1/2 k x1^2.

The expression for KE change is 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m

v0^2; this is always the expression as long as mass

doesn't change.

In this particular case the equation will read

1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2 + m g `dy = 0

If we let vf = 0, the previous equations follow.

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Question: `qprin phy and gen phy 6.39: 950 N/m

spring compressed .150 m, released with .30 kg ball.

Upward speed, max altitude of ball

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Your solution:

PE= 1/2*k*x^2,

PE=.5*950N/m*(.15m)^2,

PE=10.7Joules

'dKE+'dPE=0,

PE=-10.7Joules

PE=m*g*h,

PE=.3kg*(9.8m/s^2)*.15m,

PE=.44Joules

'dPE=.44Joules-10.7Joules=-10.3Joules

'dKE+'dPE=0

'dKE=10.3Joules

KE=1/2*m*v^2,

+-sqrt((10.3kg*m^2/s^2)/(.5*.3kg))=v,

+-8.3m/s

+8.3m/s because the ball is being launched up.

Maximum Height????

I had to look at the solution for this. I failed to

think about all forces being equal to zero.

I understand the solution.

KE starts at 0 and ends at 0 when the ball reaches its

maximum height. PE at the bottom (spring) will be

10.7Joules which will be converted to KE when the ball

is launched. Since KE will be 0 at the top, PE will

be 10.7 but it will now be gravitational PE.

PE=m*g*h (h will be the change in distance from the

point at which the spring was compressed to the height

at which the ball stops).

(10.7kg*m^2/s^2)/((.3kg)*(9.8m/s^2))='dy,

3.6m='dy

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Given Solution:

`a

We being with a few preliminary observations:

We will assume here that the gravitational PE of the

system is zero at the point where the spring is

compressed. In this situation we must consider

changes in both elastic and gravitational PE, and in

KE.

We also observe that no frictional or other

nonconservative forces are mentioned, so we assume

that nonconservative forces do no work on the system.

It follows that `dPE + `dKE = 0, so the change in KE

is equal and opposite to the change in PE.

The PE stored in the spring will be .5 k x^2 = .5 (

950 N/m ) ( .150 m)^2 = 10.7 J.

Since the ball is moving in the vertical direction,

between the release of the spring and the return of

the spring to its equilibrium position, the ball has a

change in gravitational PE as well as elastic PE.

The change in elastic PE is -10.7 J, and the change in

gravitational PE is m g `dy = .30 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 *

.150 m = +.44 J.

The total change in PE is therefore -10.7 J + 4.4 J =

-10.3 J.

Summarizing what we know so far:

Between release and the equilibrium position of the

spring, `dPE = -10.3 J

During this interval, the KE change of the ball must

therefore be `dKE = - `dPE = - (-10.3 J) = +10.3 J.

Intuitively, the ball gains in the form of KE the 10.3

J of PE lost by the system.

The initial KE of the ball is 0, so its final KE

during its interval of contact with the spring is 10.3

J. We therefore have

.5 m v^2 = KEf so that

vf=sqrt(2 KEf / m) = sqrt(2 * 10.3 J / .30 kg) = 8.4

m/s.

To find the max altitude to which the ball rises, we

consider the interval between release of the spring

and maximum height.

At the beginning of this interval the ball is at rest

so it has zero KE, and the spring has 10.7 J of

elastic PE.

At the end of this interval, when the ball reaches its

maximum height, the ball is again at rest so it again

has zero KE. The spring also has zero PE, so all the

PE change is due to the gravitational force

encountered while the ball rises.

Thus on this interval we have `dPE + `dKE = 0, with

`dKE = 0. This means that `dPE = 0. There is no

change in PE. Since the spring loses its 10.7 J of

elastic PE, the gravitational PE must increase by 10.7

J.

The change in gravitational PE is equal and opposite

to the work done on the ball by gravity as the ball

rises. The force of gravity on the ball is m g, and

this force acts in the direction opposite the ball's

motion. Gravity therefore does negative work on the

ball, and its gravitational PE increases. If `dy is

the ball's upward vertical displacement, then the PE

change in m g `dy.

Setting m g `dy = `dPE we get

`dy = `dPE / (m g)

= 10.7 J / ( .30 kg * 9.8 m/s^2)

= 10.7 J / (2.9 N) = 10.7 N * m / (2.9 N) = 3.7

meters.

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Self-critique (if necessary):

I am having a lot of difficulty with this type of

problem. I understand everything involved but I

always forget to apply two or three of the components

required to solve.

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Question: `qgen phy problem A high jumper needs to

be moving fast enough at the jump to lift her center

of mass 2.1 m and cross the bar at a speed of .7 m/s.

What minimum velocity does she require?

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Your solution:

'dPE+'dKE=0

(m*g*h)+(1/2*m*vf^2)-(1/2*m*v0^2)=0,

'dPE=mass*(9.8m/s^2)*(2.1m),

'dPE=mass*20.6m^2s^2,

'dKE=(1/2*mass*(.7m/s)^2)-(1/2*mass*v0^2)

(mass*20.6m^2s^2)+(1/2*mass*(.7m/s)^2)-

(1/2*mass*v0^2)=0,

divide by mass,

(20.6m^2s^2)+(1/2*(.7m/s)^2)-(1/2*v0^2)=0,

+-sqrt(((20.6m^2s^2)+(1/2*(.7m/s)^2))/.5)=v0,

+-6.5m/s=v0

We will choose toward the jump as positive so +6.5m/s.

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Given Solution:

`aFORMAL SOLUTION:

Formally we have `dPE + `dKE = 0.

`dPE = M * g * `dy = M * 20.6 m^2 / sec^2, where M is

the mass of the jumper and `dy is the 2.1 m change in

altitude.

`dKE = .5 M vf^2 - .5 M v0^2, where vf is the .7 m/s

final velocity and v0 is the unknown initial velocity.

So we have

M g `dy + .5 M vf^2 - .5 M v0^2 = 0.

Dividing through by M we have

g `dy + .5 vf^2 - .5 v0^2 = 0.

Solving for v0 we obtain

v0 = sqrt( 2 g `dy + vf^2) = sqrt( 2* 9.8 m/s^2 * 2.1

m + (.7 m/s)^2 ) = sqrt( 41.2 m^2/s^2 + .49 m^2 / s^2)

= sqrt( 41.7 m^2 / s^2) = 6.5 m/s, approx..

LESS FORMAL, MORE INTUITIVE, EQUIVALENT SOLUTION:

The high jumper must have enough KE at the beginning

to increase his PE through the 2.1 m height and to

still have the KE of his .7 m/s speed.

The PE change is M * g * 2.1 m = M * 20.6 m^2 / sec^2,

where M is the mass of the jumper

The KE at the top is .5 M v^2 = .5 M (.7 m/s)^2 = M *

.245 m^2 / s^2, where M is the mass of the jumper.

Since the 20.6 M m^2 / s^2 increase in PE must come at

the expense of the initial KE, and since after the PE

increase there is still M * .245 m^2 / s^2 in KE, the

initial KE must have been 20.6 M m^2 / s^2 + .245 M

m^s / s^2 =20.8 M m^s / s^2, approx.

If initial KE is 20.8 M m^s / s^2, then .5 M v0^2 =

20.8 M m^s / s^2.

We divide both sices of this equation by the jumper's

mass M to get

.5 v0^2 = 20.8 m^2 / s^2, so that

v0^2 = 41.6 m^2 / s^2 and

v0 = `sqrt(41.6 m^2 / s^2) = 6.5 m/s, appprox.

STUDENT QUESTION

I used the equation 'dy=v0^2 / (2g). Isn't that

easier?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Good, but that equation only applies under certain

conditions. Your solution didn't account for the final

KE, which doesn't make a lot of difference but does

make enough to decide the winner of a competitive

match.

In general you don't want to carry an equation like

'dy=v0^2/(2g) around with you. If you carry that one

around, there are about a hundred others that apply to

different situations, and you'll overload very

quickly. Among other things, that equation doesn't

account for both initial and final KE. It applies only

when the PE change is gravitational, only near the

surface of the Earth, and only when the final KE is

zero. Way too many special conditions to keep in mind,

way too much to remember.

You want to start your reasoning from `dKE + `dPE +

`dW_noncons_ON = 0.

We assume that nonconservative forces are negligible,

so that `dW_noncons_ON is itself zero, giving us

`dPE + `dKE = 0.

For this situation `dPE = m g `dy, `dKE = KE_f - KE_0

= 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2, and the equation becomes

m g `dy + 1/2 m v0^2 - 1/2 m vf^2 = 0.

In a nutshell, there are only three things you need in

order to analyze similar situations:

`dKE + `dPE + `dW_noncons = 0

KE = 1/2 m v^2

`dPE = m g `dy (in the vicinity of the Earth's

surface)

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Question: `qquery Univ. 7.42 (7.38 in 10th edition).

2 kg block, 400 N/m spring, .220 m compression.

Along surface then up 37 deg incline all frictionless.

How fast on level, how far up incline?

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Your solution:

PE=1/2*k*x^2

PE=.5*(400N/m)*(.220m)^2,

PE=9.7Joules

After spring is sprung, PE=KE so KE=9.7Joules

Since there is no friction velocity will be:

KE=1/2*m*v^2,

+-sqrt((2*9.7kg*m^2/s^2)/2kg)=v,

+-3.1m/s=v.

For the slope:

Acceleration will be -9.8m/s^2,

the slope of the incline will be tan(37)=.75

the parallel component of acceleration due to gravity

will be (-9.8m/s^2)*.75=-7.35m/s^2,

-7.35m/s^2*2kg=14.7N

Fnet*'ds=(1/2*m*vf^2)-(1/2*m*v0^2),

'ds=((1/2*m*vf^2)-(1/2*m*v0^2))/Fnet,

'ds=((.5*2kg*0m/s^2)-(.5*2kg*(3.1m/s)^2))/-

14.7kg*m/s^2,

'ds=.65m

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Given Solution:

`a** The spring exerts a force of 400 N / m * .220 m =

88 N at the .220 m compression. The average force

exerted by the spring between equilibrium and this

point is therefore (0 N + 88 N) / 2 = 44 N, so the

work done in the compression is

`dW = Fave * `ds = 44 N * .220 m = 9.7 Joules, approx.

If all this energy is transferred to the block,

starting from rest, the block's KE will therefore be

5.0 Joules. Solving KE = .5 m v^2 for v we obtain v =

sqrt(2 KE / m) = sqrt(2 * 9.7 Joules / (2 kg) ) = 3.2

m/s, approx..

No energy is lost to friction so the block will

maintain this speed along the level surface. As it

begins to climb the incline it will gain gravitational

PE at the expense of KE until the PE is 9.7 J and the

KE is zero, at which point it will begin to slide back

down the incline.

After traveling through displacement `ds along the

incline the height of the mass will be `ds sin(37 deg)

= .6 `ds, approx., and its gravitational PE will be PE

= m g h = m g * .6 `ds = .6 m g `ds.

Setting this expression equal to KE we obtain the

equation

.6 m g `ds = KE,

which we solve for `ds to obtain

`ds = KE / (.6 m g) = 9.7 Joules / (.6 * 2 kg * 9.8

m/s^2) = .82 meters, approx. **

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Self-critique (if necessary):

Okay, I got way off track.

I have 9.7Joules of KE when the mass hits the incline.

The object will travel until KE + PE =0.

PE=m*g*h.

Height equals 'ds*(sin(37))=.6*'ds,

(9.7kg*m^2/s^2)/(.6*2kg*(9.8m/s^2))='ds,

.83m='ds

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Question: `qquery univ phy 7.50 62 kg skier, from

rest, 65 m high. Frict does -10.5 kJ.

What is the skier's speed at the bottom of the slope?

After moving horizontally over 82 m patch, air res 160

N, coeff frict .2, how fast is she going?

Penetrating 2.5 m into the snowdrift, to a stop, what

is the ave force exerted on her by the snowdrift?

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Your solution:

PE=m*g*h,

PE=62kg*9.8m/s^2*65m,

PE=39494Joules,

PE=39kJ,

as the skier moves down the ramp PE will be converted

to KE so at the bottom KE will be 39kJ - 10.5kJ

(friction)=28.5kJ.

KE=1/2*m*v^2

+-sqrt(2*28.5kJ/62kg)=v,

30m/s=v at bottom of ramp.

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Given Solution:

`a** The gravitational PE of the skier decreases by 60

kg * 9.8 m/s^2 * 65 m = 38 kJ, approx. (this means 38

kiloJoules, or 38,000 Joules). The PE loss partially

dissipated against friction, with the rest converted

to KE, resulting in KE = 38 kJ / 10.5 kJ = 27.5 kJ.

Formally we have

`dKE + `dPE + `dWnoncons = 0, where `dWnoncons is the

work done by the skier against friction. Since

friction does -10.5 kJ of work on the skier, the skier

does 10.5 kJ of work against friction and we have `dKE

= -`dPE - `dWnoncons = - (-38 kJ) - 10.5 kJ = 27.5 kJ.

The speed of the skier at this point will be

v = sqrt( 2 KE / m) = sqrt( 2 * 27,500 J / (65 kg) ) =

30 m/s, approx.

Over the 82 m patch the force exerted against friction

will be .2 * 60 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 = 118 N, approx., so

the force exerted against nonconservative forces will

be 118 N + 160 N = 280 N approx.. The work done will

therefore be

`dWnoncons = 280 N * 82 m = 23 kJ, approx.,

and the skier's KE will be

KE = 27.5 kJ - 23 kJ = 4.5 kJ, approx.

This implies a speed of

v = sqrt( 2 KE / m) = 12 m/s, approx.

To stop from this speed in 2.5 m requires that the

remaining 4.5 kJ of KE be dissipated in the 2.5 m

distance. Thus we have

`dW = Fave * `ds, so that

Fave = `dW / `ds = 4500 J / (2.5 m) = 1800 N.

This is a significant force, about 3 times the weight

of the skier, but distributed over a large area of her

body will cause a good jolt, but will not be likely to

cause injury.**

STUDENT QUESTION

If the PE is = 20.6, then why is the initial KE= 20.6

so that we are adding the .245 to the initial KE of

20.6 to get

20.8, I thought that the KE was equal and opposite to

the PE why would we not subtract here?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

`dKE + `dPE = 0, provided there are no nonconservative

forces acting on the system.

In such a case, PE goes up as the mass rises, so KE

goes down. Another way of looking at it: All or part

of the KE converts to PE.

The mass can only go as high as the initial KE

permits. Once the initial KE is 'used up', no increase

in PE is possible (recall the assumption that no

nonconservative forces act during this phase of

motion).

At maximum height the mass is still moving in the

horizontal direction, so not all of the KE converts to

PE.

In this case PE increases by 20.6 M m^2/s^2, .245 M

m^2/s^2 of KE is still present at the highest point,

so about 20.8 M m^2 / s^2 of KE must have been present

initially.

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