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I am getting some help now and I am understanding much more. Hopefully this submission will be better than the rest. " "If your solution to stated problem does not match the given solution, you should self-critique per instructions at

http://vhcc2.vhcc.edu/dsmith/geninfo/labrynth_created_fall_05/levl1_22/levl2_81/file3_259.htm.

Your solution, attempt at solution.

If you are unable to attempt a solution, give a phrase-by-phrase interpretation of the problem along with a statement of what you do or do not understand about it. This response should be given, based on the work you did in completing the assignment, before you look at the given solution.

003. C(n,r) and P(n,r)

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Question: `q001. Note that there are 15 questions in this assignment.

As we have seen if we choose, say, 3 objects out of 10 distinct objects the number of possible results depends on whether order matters or not.

For the present example if order does matter there are 10 choices for the first selection, 9 for the second and 8 for the third, giving us 10 * 9 * 8 possibilities.

However if order does not matter then whatever three objects are chosen, they could have been chosen in 3 * 2 * 1 = 6 different orders.  This results in only 1/6 as many possibilities, or 10 * 9 * 8 / 6 possible outcomes.

We usually write this number as 10 * 9 * 8 / (3 * 2 * 1) in order to remind us that there are 10 * 9 * 8 ordered outcomes, but 3 * 2 * 1 orders in which any three objects can be chosen.

If we were to choose 4 objects out of 12,

How many possible outcomes would there be if the objects were chosen in order?

How many possible outcomes would there be if the order of the objects did not matter?

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Your solution:

If order does matter then the equation would be 12*11*10*9.

If order does not matter then the equation could be 4*3*2*1.

The equation would be 12*11*10*9 = 11,880 = 495 possible outcomes

4*3*2*1 24

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Given Solution:

When choosing 4 objects out of 12, there are 12 choices for the first, 11 choices for the second, 10 choices for the third and 9 choices for the fourth object.  If the order matters there are therefore 12 * 11 * 10 * 9 possible outcomes.

If the order doesn't matter, then we have to ask in how many different orders any given collection of 4 objects could be chosen. Given any 4 objects, there are 4 choices for the first, 3 choices for the second, 2 choices for the third and 1 choice for the fourth.  There are thus 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 orders in which a given set of 4 objects could be chosen.

We therefore have 12 * 11 * 10 * 9 / ( 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) possible outcomes when order doesn't matter.

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Question:`q002. If order does not matter, then how many ways are there to choose 5 members of a team from 23 potential players?

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Your solution:

If order does not matter then the equation would be

23*22*21*20*19 = 4,037,880 = 33,649 possible outcomes if order does not matter

5*4*3*2*1 120

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Given Solution:

If order did matter then there would be 23 * 22 * 21 * 20 * 19 ways choose the five members. However order does not matter, so we must divide this number by the 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 ways in which any given set of five individuals can be chosen.

We therefore have 23 * 22 * 21 * 20 * 19 / ( 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) possible 5-member teams.

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Question:`q003. In how many ways can we line up 5 different books on a shelf?

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Your solution:

If we needed to line up 5 differetn books on a shelf then the equation would be 5*4*3*2*1 = 120 different ways to line up a book.

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Given Solution:

It should be clear that there are 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 ways, since there are 5 choices for the first book, 4 for the second, etc..If we multiply these numbers out we get 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 = 120.

It might be a little bit surprising that there should be 120 ways to order only 5 objects. It’s probably even more surprising that if we double the number of objects to 10, there are over 3 million ways to order them (you should be able to verify this easily enough).

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Question:`q004. The expression 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 is often written as 5 ! , read 'five factorial'. More generally if n stands for any number, then n ! stands for the number of ways in which n distinct objects could be lined up.

Find 6 ! , 7 ! and 10 ! .

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Your solution:

With 6 equalling n, the equation would read 6*5*4*3*2*1 = 720.

With 7 equalling n, the equation would read 7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 5040

With 10 equalling n, the equation would read 10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 3, 628,800

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Given Solution:

6 ! = 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 = 720.

7 ! = 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 = 5040.

10 ! = 3,628,800.

These numbers grow at an astonishing rate. The last result here shows is that there are over 3 million ways to arrange 10 people in a line. The rapid growth of these results like in part explain the use of the ! symbol (the exclamation point) to designate factorials.

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Question:`q005. What do we get if we simplify the expression (10 ! / 6 !) ?

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Your solution:

10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1

6*5*4*3*2*1

If we simplify the equation then 6*5*4*3*2*1 would disappear because they cancelled each other out. So the answer would be 10*9*8*7.

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Given Solution:

10 ! / 6 ! = 10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 / ( 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1).

We can simplify this by rewriting it as

10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * (6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) / ( 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) = 10 * 9 * 8 * 7.

We see that the 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 in the numerator matches the same expression in the denominator, so when divided these expressions give us 1 and we end up with just

10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 1 = 10 * 9 * 8 * 7.

Note that this is just the number of ways in which 4 objects can be chosen, in order, from a collection of 10 objects.

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Question:`q006. We saw above that there are 23 * 22 * 21 * 20 * 19 ways to choose 5 individuals, in order, from 23 potential members. How could we express this number as a quotient of two factorials?

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Your solution:

The first factorial that we have is 23! which wquals 23*22*21*20*19.

The second factorial would be 18! which would be 18*17*16*15*14

23*22*21*20*19

18*17*16*15*14

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Given Solution:

If we divide 23 ! by 18 ! , the numbers from 18 down to 1 will occur in both the numerator and denominator and when we divide we will be left with just the numbers from 23 down to 19.

Thus

23 * 22 * 21 * 20 * 19 = 23 ! / 18 !.

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Question:`q007. How could we express the number of ways to rank 20 individuals, in order, from among 100 candidates?

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Your solution:

If order does matter then it would have to be:

100*99*98*97*96*95*94*93*92*91*90*89*88*87*86*85*84*83*82*81*80.

If order had not mattered then it could have been:

20*19*18*17*16*15*14*13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1

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Given Solution: I understand about how order does and does not matter.

There are 100 choices for the first candidate, 99 for the second, 98 for the third, etc.. For the 20th candidate there are 81 choices. You should convince yourself of this if you didn't see it originally.

Our product is therefore 100 * 99 * 98 * ... * 81, which can be expressed as 100 ! / 80 !.

Note that the denominator is 80 !, which can be written as (100 - 20)! . So the result for this problem can be written as

100 ! / (100 - 20) ! = 100 ! / 80 ! = 100 * 99 * 98 * … * 81.

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Question:`q008. How could we express the number of ways to rank r individuals from a collection of n candidates?

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Your solution:

In the last problem, if we had 100-20 then n would have been 100 and 20 would have been r. So n-r would have been the equation.

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Given Solution:

By analogy with the preceding example, where we divided 100 ! by (100 - 20) !, we should divide n ! by ( n - r ) !. The number is therefore

n ! / ( n - r ) !.

This is the number of ways in which we can choose, in order, r objects from a collection of n objects.

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Question:`q009. The expression n ! / ( n - r ) ! denotes the number of ways in which r objects can be chosen, in order, from among n objects. When we choose objects in order we say that we are 'permuting' the objects.

The expression n ! / ( n - r ) ! is therefore said to be the number of permutations of r objects chosen from n possible objects.

We use the notation P ( n , r ) to denote this number. Thus

P(n, r) = n ! / ( n - r ) ! .

Find P ( 8, 3) and explain what this number means.

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Your solution:

8 P 3 8! = 8! = 8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 40,320 = 336

8!-5! 5! 5*4*3*2*1 120

So 8 and 3 are both factorials of p.

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Given Solution:

P(n, r) = n! / ( n - r) !. To calculate P(8, 3) we let n = 8 and r = 3. We get

P(8, 3) = 8 ! / ( 8 - 3) ! = 8 ! / 5 ! = 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 / ( 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) = 8 * 7 * 6.

This number represents the number of ways in which 3 objects can be chosen, in order, from 8 objects.

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Question:`q010. In how many ways can an unordered collection of 3 objects be chosen from 8 candidates?

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Your solution:

From question 9, the factorials are 8! and 5!.

8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 8*7*6

(5*4*3*2*1)

Since we have 5*4*3*2*1 as the same numbers in the equation, those will cancel out leaving 8*7*6.

Now the question asked if I would write out the factorials of 8! and 3!, so here it is:

8*7*6 but when we simplify 2 goes into 8, 4 times and 3 goes into 6 , 2 times.

3*2*1

So now the equation would read 7*4*2 = 56 candidates.

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Given Solution:

There are 8 * 7 * 6 ways to choose 3 objects from 8, in order, and 3! ways to order any unordered collection of 3 objects, so there are 8 * 7 * 6 / ( 3 * 2 * 1 ) possible unordered collections.

This number is easily enough calculated. Since 3 goes into 6 twice and 2 goes into 8 four times, we see that

8 * 7 * 6 / ( 3 * 2 * 1) = 4 * 7 * 2 = 56.

There are 56 different unordered collections of 3 objects chosen from 8.

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Question:`q010. How could the result of the preceding problem be expressed purely in terms of factorials?

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Your solution:

Since we used 8!-5!=3!, we can use the 8 and the 3.

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8! - 5! does not equal 3!.

8! = 40 320 and 5! = 120, so 8! - 5! is over 40 000. 3!, on the other hand, is only 6.

Now what you meant was

(8 - 5) !, which is 3 !.

But be sure you understand that (8 - 5) ! is not 8 ! - 5 !.

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8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 8*7*6

5*4*3*2*1

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Given Solution:

The product 8 * 7 * 6 is just 8 ! / 5 !, and the expression 8 * 7 * 6 / ( 3 * 2 * 1) can therefore be expressed as 8 ! / ( 5 ! * 3 !).

QUESTION FROM STUDENT: How do you know to use 8!/ (5! * 3!)

INSTRUCTOR'S ANSWER:

The preceding problem involved choosing 3 objects out of 8.

There would be 8 choices for the first item, 7 choices for the second and 6 choices for the third. If chosen in order, then by the fundamental counting principle there would be 8 * 7 * 6 possible choices.

8 * 7 * 6 = 8 ! / 5 ! , as can easily be seen by writing the factorials out:

· 8 ! / 5 ! = 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 / (5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1).

· The (5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) in the denominator is matched by the 5 * 4 *3 * 2 * 1 in the numerator so these factors divide out, leaving just 8 * 7 * 6.

Since we are choosing 3 objects out of 8. We want to write our result in terms of the numbers 3 and 8.

Where does the number 5 in our expression 8 ! / 5 ! come from?

· The answer is that to get 8 * 7 * 6 we need to 'chop off' the last 5 factors in 8 ! . This is why we divide by 5 !.

· Since 8 !contains 8 factors and we need to leave only the first three, we have to 'chop off' 8 - 3 = 5 of them.

· Thus we divide by (8 - 3) ! , i.e., by 5 !.

So our number of ordered choices can be expressed in three possible ways:

·8 * 7 * 6, which we get by applying the fundamental counting principle,· 8 ! / 5 !, which 'chops off' the last 5 factors of 8 !, leaving us 8 * 7 * 6, or

·8 ! / (8 - 3) !, which is how we write the result in terms of the original numbers 3 and 8.

Thus the number of ordered choices is 8 * 7 * 6, or 8 ! / 5 !, or 8 ! / (8 - 3) !

· This number is denoted P(8, 3), the number of permutations (i.e., ordered choices) of 3 objects chosen without replacement from 8.

·P(8, 3) = 8 ! / (8- 3) !, and this is our official definition of P(8, 3). Working from this definition we find that

· P(8, 3) = 8 ! / (8 - 3) ! = 8 ! / 5 ! = 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 / (5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) = 8 * 7 * 6.

OK, P(8, 3) is the number of ordered choices.

But what if, as in this case, we are making unordered choices?

That is, what if the order in which the choices are made doesn’t matter?

Any given set of 3 items could have been chosen in 3 ! = 3 * 2 * 1 = 6 different orders.

·So the number of ordered choices of 3 items is 3 ! = 6 times as great as the number of unordered choices.

· Thus the number of unordered choices is 1 / 6 as great at the number of ordered choices.

· To get the number of unordered choices we therefore divide the number of ordered choices by 6.

·Remember that we arrived at the number 6 from the fact that there are 3 ! = 6 ways to choose the same 3 items in different orders.

Thus the number of unordered choices is

· # of unordered choices = # of ordered choices / (# of ways a given set of chosen objects can be ordered).

·# of unordered choices = P(8, 3) / 3 !.

We call the number of unordered choices C(8, 3), the number of combinations of 3 objects chosen without replacement from 8. Therefore

·C(8, 3) = P(8, 3) / 3 !.

Since P(8, 3) = 8 ! / (8 - 3) !, we have

·C(8, 3) = (8 ! / (8 - 3) ! ) / 3 !, which by the rule for dividing a fraction by a number simplifies to

·C(8, 3) = 8 ! / [ (8 - 3)! * 3 ! ].

OK, in summary we divide 8 ! by [ (8 - 3) ! * 3 ! ]

·Dividing 8 ! by (8 - 3) ! we are left with the first three factors 8 * 7 * 6, giving us the number of ordered choices.

·When we then divide by 3 ! , which is the number of orders in which 3 given objects could have been chosen, we are left with the number of unordered choices.

More generally, if we want to know the number of ordered choices possible when r objects are chosen in order, without replacement from a collection of n objects, the number is

P(n, r) = n ! / (n - r)!

If we want the number of unordered choices, then we have to divide this result by the r ! ways the r objects could be ordered, and we get

C(n, r) = n ! / [ (n - r) ! * r ! ].

The reasoning behind these expressions is identical to the reasoning we used when developing the expression for choosing 3 objects out of 8.

Note also that the reasoning summarized here has been developed throughout the first three qa's and the corresponding queries and sections of the text.  A review of some or all of those sources might provide additional reinforcement for these ideas.

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Self-critique (if necessary): Not exactly sure on how to do and of this. Need explaining from the beginning???

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I believe you indicated in your solution that the result would be

8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 / (5*4*3*2*1),

which is equal to

8*7*6

This is the correct result.

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`q011. In terms of factorials, how would we express the number of possible unordered collections of 5 objects chosen from 16?

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Your solution:

I am not sure about this one???

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Given Solution:

There are 16 ! / ( 16 - 5) ! Possible ordered sets of 5 objects chosen from the 16.

There are 5 ! ways to order any unordered collection of 5 objects.

There are thus 16 ! / [ ( 16 - 5 ) ! * 5 ! ] possible unordered collections of 5 objects from the 16.

STUDENT QUESTION:

16!/(16-5)!*5! because there are 5 ways to do this for UNORDERED collections, correct?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

Close, but to clarify the terminology:

There are 5 ! different orders in which the same unordered collection could have been chosen.

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Self-critique (if necessary): I need help understanding, 16 ! / [ ( 16 - 5 ) ! * 5 ! ], why si there an absolute value sign in the equation??

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16 - 5 = 11, so the expression becomes

16 ! / [11 ! * 5 ! ]

which is

16 * 15 * 14 * 13 * 12 * 11 * 10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 / [ 11 * 10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 * 5*4*3*2*1 ].

11 * 10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 appears in the numerator and in the denominator, so it cancels, leaving you with

16 * 15 * 14 * 13 * 12 / (5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1).

15 / 5 = 3, 16/4 = 4, 12 / 3 = 4 and 14 / 2 = 7 so the result is

4 * 3 * 7 * 13 * 6.

That isn't difficult to calculate.

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All the numbers are positive, so an absolute value sign wouldn't hurt anything. However there isn't an absolute value sign in the equation.

You might be thinking of the brackets in the denominator. They are there simply as a sign of grouping.

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Question:`q012. In terms of factorials, how would we express the number of possible unordered collections of r objects chosen from n objects?

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Your solution:

I need help with this one???

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Given Solution:

There are P(n, r) = n ! / ( n - r ) ! possible ordered collections of r objects.

There are r ! ways to order any unordered collection of r objects. There are thus P ( n, r ) / r! = n ! / [ r ! * ( n - r) ! ] possible unordered collections of r objects chosen from n objects.

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n would be the number of objects you are choosing from.

r would be the number of objects to be chosen.

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Question: `q013. When we choose objects without replacement and without regard to order, we say that we are forming combinations as opposed to permutations, which occur when order matters.

The expression we obtained in the preceding problem gives us a formula for combinations:

C ( n , r ) = P ( n, r) / r! = n ! / [ r ! ( n - r) ! ]

This is the number of possible combinations, or unordered collections, of r objects chosen from a set of n objects.

Show how you would use the formula to find the number of unordered selections of 3 numbered balls out of a set of 15, where the selections are made without replacement.

Show how you would use the formula to find the number of unordered selections of 3 number balls out of a set of 15, if all three selected balls have double digits, again selecting without replacement.

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Your solution:

C= 15! = 15! 15*14*13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 15*14*13

3! (15-3)! (3! * 12!) (3*2*1) (12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1) 3*2*1

15/3=5

14/2=7

13*7*5= 455 possible

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There are 15 * 14 * 13 ways to choose 3 objects in order.

There are 3 ! orders in which any given 3 objects can be chosen.

So there are 15 * 14 * 13 / 3 ! possible unordered collections.

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This is what you would get from the formula for unordered selections:

C(15, 3) = 15 ! / [(15 - 3)! * 3! ]

This works out to 15 * 14 * 13 / (3 * 2 * 1).

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Given Solution: The formula C ( n , r ) = P ( n, r) / r! = n ! / [ r ! ( n - r) ! ] gives the number of ways to select r objects from n, without replacement.

The first question asks how many ways there are to select 3 objects from a set of 15, without replacement. So for this question, r = 3 and n = 15. The formula therefore gives us the result

C(15, 3) = 15 ! / ( 3 ! * (15 - 3) ! )

= 15 ! / (3! * 12 !)

= 15 * 14 * 13 * 12 * 11 * ... * 1 / ( (3 * 2 * 1) * (12 * 11 * ... * 1) )

= (15 * 14 * 13) * (12 * 11 * ... * 1) / ( (3 * 2 * 1) * (12 * 11 * ... * 1) ).

The factor (12 * 11 * ... * 1) in the numerator is divided by the same factor in the denominator, giving us 1, so our expression becomes

(15 * 14 * 13) * 1 / (3 * 2 * 1)

= 15/3 * 14/2 * 13 * 1/1

= 5 * 7 * 13 * 1

= 455.

Note that it is not appropriate in this course to use a calculator to simplify this expression, with the exception of the final multiplication 5 * 7 * 13.  You need to show the simplification without reference to a calculator.  Simplification is straightforward, just matching up quantities in the numerator with the appropriate quantities in the denominator.

The second question asks how many ways there are to select 3 balls having double digits from the set of 15 balls.

There are only six balls, numbers 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15, having double digits. So the selection of the 3 balls would be restricted to a set of only 6 balls, not 15. So the formula would apply with r = 3 and n = 6. The result would be

C(6, 3) = 6 ! / ( 3 ! * ( 6 - 3) ! )

= 6 ! / (3 ! * 3 !)

= 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 / ( (3 * 2 * 1) * (3 * 2 * 1) )

= (6 * 5 * 4) * (3 * 2 * 1) / ( (3 * 2 * 1) * (3 * 2 * 1) )

= 6 * 5 * 4 / (3 * 2 * 1)

= 6 / 3 * 5 * 4 / 2 = 2 * 5 * 2

= 20.

A calculator would be completely inappropriate in evaluating C(6, 3). This calculation involves only matching up the (3 * 2 * 1) in the numerator with the (3 * 2 * 1) in the denominator, then matching up the divisions 6 / 3 and 4 / 2 which have whole-number results, and finally performing a simple multiplication.

Extra information (easy to understand now; very useful to have done so now when start dealing with probability in the next chapter):

There are 455 combinations of three balls from among the 15.

20 of these combinations consist solely of double-digit balls.

So we would say that the probability of obtaining three double-digit balls when randomly selecting from the 15, without replacement, is

P(three double-digit balls) = 20 / 455 = 4 / 91 (approximately equal to .044 or 4.4%).

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Question: `q014. In selecting three balls from 15, without replacement, how many ways are there to get each of the following?

Three balls all with single digits.

Three balls all of which contain the digit 1.

Three odd-numbered balls.

Additional question, optional now but to your benefit in the near future:

You know how many possible selections there are of 3 balls out of the 15. You have calculated how many possible selections have three 3-digit numbers, and how many have three single-digit numbers. How can you calculate the number that include at least one two-digit number and at least one single-digit number? What is your result? (Optional but easy if you have answered previous questions. What is the probability that this will occur?)

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Your solution:

Would I use a combination or permutations???

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None of the choices specifies that the balls be in order. So you use combinations.

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Question: `q015. In selecting three balls from 15, without replacement:

From a collection of three different single-digit balls, how many different numbers can be obtained by placing the three balls in different orders?

How many numbers are possible from a collection of three balls each containing a double-digit number?

How many different ordered selections of 3 balls can be made from the 15?

How many different ordered selections of 3 single-digit balls are possible?

What therefore is the probability of obtaining a three-digit number from a random selection of 3 of the 15 balls?

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Need help with this one too.

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