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Question: `q set 3 problems 15-19. Explain the difference between a conservative and a nonconservative force, and give an example of each.

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Your solution: A Conservative force preserves the energy that it has or that is put into it (kind of like being recycled) while a nonconservative force loses energy – aka that is NOT conserved.

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Given Solution: ** A conservative force conserves energy--you can get your energy back.

For example: Push something massive up a hill, then climb back down the hill. The object, by virtue of its position, has the potential to return most of your energy to you, after regaining it as it rolls back down. You will have done work against gravity as you move along a path up the hill, and gravity can return the energy as it follows its path back down the hill. In this sense gravity conserves energy, and we call it a conservative force.

However, there is some friction involved--you do extra work against friction, which doesn't come back to you. And some of the energy returned by gravity also gets lost to friction as the object rolls back down the hill. This energy isn't conserved--it's nonconservative. **

Another more rigorous definition of a conservative force is that a force is conservative if the work done to get from one point to another independent of the path taken between those two points.

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Question: `qIf a system does work W1 against a nonconservative force while conservative forces do work W2 on the system, what are the change in the KE and PE of the system? Explain your reasoning from a commonsense point of view, and include a simple example involving a rubber band, a weight, an incline and friction.

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Your solution: Okay.. if it’s a nonconservative force, that means that it does not conserve the energy put into it, so it will have KE but no PE? And if there is an alternate conservative force, meaning that the energy is “conserved,” there will still be PE from the W2 but less KE. If you stretch a rubber band, there PE increases because there is a lot of strain/stress on the band and its holding in all the pressure you put on it. Once you let go of it, the PE decreases and KE increases. I’m not sure what kind of example would use a weight and an incline.. perhaps if you were pulling something up the incline with a weight on a pulley system, once the weight has extended the length of the pulley system there’s nowhere left for it to go so the KE has been expended through lifting the weight and the PE is gone?

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Given Solution: ** `dKE is equal to the NET work done ON the system.

The KE of a system changes by an amount equal to the net work done on a system.

If work W1 is done BY the system against a nonconservative force then work -W1 is done ON the system by that force.

`dPE is the work done BY the system AGAINST conservative forces, and so is the negative of the work done ON the system BY nonconservative forces. In this case then `dPE = - W2. PE decreases, thereby tending to increase KE.

If work -W1 is done ON the system by a nonconservative force and W2 is done ON the system by a conservative force, the NET work done ON the system is -W1 + W2.

The KE of the system therefore changes by `dKE = -W1 + W2.

If the nonconservative force is friction and the conservative force is gravity, then since the system must do positive work against friction, W1 must be positive and hence the -W1 contribution to `dKE tends to decrease the KE.

e.g., if the system does 50 J of work against friction, then there is 50 J less KE increase than if there was no friction.

If the work done by the nonconservative force on the system is positive, e.g., gravity acting on an object which is falling downward (force and displacement in the same direction implies positive work), the tendency will be to increase the KE of the system and W2 would be positive.

If W2 is 150 J and W1 is 50 J, this means that gravity tends to increase the KE by 150 J but friction dissipates 50 J of that energy, so the change in KE will be only 100 J.

If the object was rising, displacement and gravitational force would be in opposite directions, and the work done by gravity would be negative. In this case W2 might be, say, -150 J. Then `dKE would be -150 J - 50 J = -200 J. The object would lose 200 J of KE (which would only be possible if it had at least 200 J of KE to lose--think of an object with considerable velocity sliding up a hill). **

STUDENT COMMENT : I find this really confusing. Could this be laid out in another way?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE : If you find this confusing at this point, you will have a lot of company. This is a challenge for most students, and these ideas will occupy us for a number of assignments. There is light at the end of the tunnel: It takes awhile, but once you understand this, the basic ideas become pretty simple and even obvious, and once understood they are usually (but not always) easy to apply

This could be laid out differently, but would probably be equally confusing to any given student. Different students will require clarification of different aspects of the situation.

If you tell me what you do and do not understand about the given solution, then I can clarify in a way that will make sense to you.

I also expect that in the process of answering subsequent questions, these ideas will become increasingly clear.

In any case feel free to insert your own interpretations, questions, etc. into a copy of this document (mark insertions with &&&& so I can locate them), and submit a copy.

STUDENT QUESTION: If the system goes against the force will this always make it negative?

INSTRUCTOR COMMENT: If a force and the displacement are in opposite directions, then the work done by that force is negative.

If the system moves in a direction opposite the force exerted BY the system, the work done BY the system is negative.

Note, however, that if this is the case then any equal and opposite force exerted ON the system will be in the direction of motion, so the force will do positive work ON the system.

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Self-critique (if necessary): Whoa. I hope that I will understand better as the assignments move along. I understand what you’re saying and that there isn’t really a better way to describe it, so hopefully more practice/application problems will clarify in the near future.

Good. You are definitely on the right track, and practice is the key. This and upcoming qa's and queries will give you plenty of practice with these ideas.

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Question: `qIf the KE of an object changes by `dKE while the total nonconservative force does work W_nc on the object, by how much does the PE of the object change?

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Your solution: A nonconservative force means that the work put in doesn’t come back out at the end, so the KE would increase and the PE would decrease by as much as the KE increases.

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Given Solution: ** We have `dKE + `dPE + `dWbyNoncons = 0: The total of KE change of the system, PE change of the system and work done by the system against nonconservative forces is zero.

Regarding the object at the system, if W_nc is the work done ON the object by nonconservative forces then work -W_nc is done BY the object against nonconservative forces, and therefore `dWnoncons = -W_nc.

We therefore have `dKE + `dPE - W_nc = 0 so that `dPE = -`dKE + W_nc. **

Equivalently, the work-energy theorem can be stated

• `dW_ON_nc = `dKE + `dPE

In this example the work done on the system by nonconservative forces is labeled W_nc, without the subscript ON and without the `d in front. However it means the same thing, so the above becomes

W_nc = `dKE + `dPE

and we solve for `dPE to get

`dPE = -`dKE + W_nc

STUDENT COMMENT: I’m still confused on how to understand when the energy is done on the object and when the energy is done against the

object.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: In an application, that can be the difficult question. However in this case it is stated that W_nc is the work done by nonconservative forces ON the object.

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Self-critique (if necessary): I totally forgot about the equation!! But it makes sense to me. I just need to remember the equation and keep my terms straight, such as the “work on” and “work against” thing.

that's the key

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Question: Give a specific example of such a process.

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Your solution: Well, if I throw a bouncy ball into the ground using 5J and assuming the bouncy ball is a conservative force, then maybe it comes back to my hand “containing” 3J. 2J got lost somewhere along the way, probably when the ball struck the ground and transferred some of its energy into the ground.

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Given Solution: ** For example suppose I lift an object weighing 50 N and in the process the total nonconservative force (my force and friction) does +300 J of work on the object while its KE changes by +200 J.

• The 300 J of work done by my force and friction is used to increase the KE by 200 J, leaving 100 J to be accounted for.

More formally, `dW_noncons_ON = +300 J and `dKE = +200 J. Since `dW_noncons_ON = `dKE + `dPE,

So +300 J = +200 J + `dPE, and it follows that `dPE = +100 J.

• This 100 J goes into the PE of the object. **

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Self-critique (if necessary): I’m terrible at making up examples. I understand the concept I’m just bad at putting it into words, which I know isn’t helpful.

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Question: Why does it make sense that the work done by gravity on a set of identical hanging washers should be proportional to the product of the number of washers and the distance through which they fall? Why is this consistent with the idea that the work done on a given cart on an incline is proportional to the vertical distance through which the cart is raised?

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Your solution: The more washers, the more force put on them by gravity. Obviously if they are stopped 12 inches from their origin the work ends, whereas if they are left to continue for another 36 inches, the work done by gravity is much greater because it is through a greater distance.

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Given Solution: ** Informally:

• The more clips, the more gravitational force, and the more the clips descend the more work is done by that force.

• The amount of work depends on how many clips, and on how far they descend.

• The number of clips required is proportional to the slope (as long as the slope is small).

More formally, the force exerted by gravity is the same on each clip, so the total gravitational force on the hanging clips is proportional to the number of clips. The work done is the product of the force and the displacement in the direction of the force, so the work done is proportional to product of the number of washers and the vertical displacement.

To pull the cart up a slope at constant velocity the number of washers required is proportional to the slope (for small slopes), and the vertical distance through which the cart is raised by a given distance of descent is proportional to the slope, to the work done is proportional to the vertical distance thru which the cart is raised. **

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Question: How does the work done against friction of the cart-incline-pulley-washer system compare with the work done by gravity on the washers and the work done to raise the cart? Which is greatest? What is the relationship among the three?

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Your solution: For the cart to move at all, the force of gravity on the washers must be the greatest force. Otherwise the cart wouldn’t move (or at least wouldn’t move in a positive direction). The friction is kind of holding the cart back, so if it’s the greatest force, the system won’t go anywhere. And the work done on the cart relates to the friction in that it holds back the cart. So gravity on washers must be greater than the combined friction and work on the cart.

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Given Solution: ** The force exerted by gravity on the hanging weights tends to move the system up the incline. The force exerted by gravity on the cart has a component perpendicular to the incline and a component down the incline, and the force exerted by friction is opposed to the motion of the system.

In order for the cart to move with constant velocity up the incline the net force must be zero (constant velocity implies zero accel implies zero net force) so the force exerted by gravity in the positive direction must be equal and opposite to the sum of the other two forces. So the force exerted by gravity on the hanging weights is greater than either of the opposing forces.

So the force exerted by friction is less than that exerted by gravity on the washers, and since these forces act through the same distance the work done against friction is less than the work done by gravity on the washers.

The work done against gravity to raise the cart is also less than the work done by gravity on the washers.

• Work done against friction + work against gravity to raise cart = work by gravity on the hanging weights. **

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Question: What is our evidence that the acceleration of the cart is proportional to the net force on the cart?

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Your solution: If you graph the acceleration and the net force, it is a linear graph. So as one increases/decreases, the other component does the opposite.

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Given Solution: ** the graph of acceleration vs. number of washers should be linear **

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Question: Car rolls off edge of cliff; how long to reach 85 km/hr?

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Your solution: If gravity is acting on the car, then that’s 9.8m/s^2. If we want 85km/hr, we need to convert that into something useable, so 85km/hr * 1000m/km * 1hr/60mins * 1min/60sec = 23.6m/s. 23.6m/s divided by 9.8m/s^2 is around 2.5 seconds.

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Given Solution: We know that the acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2, and this is the rate at which the velocity of the car changes. The units of 85 km/hr are not compatible with the units m/s^2, so we convert this velocity to m/s, obtaining velocity

• 85 km/hr ( 1000 m/km) ( 1 hr / 3600 sec) = 23.6 m/s.

Common sense tells us that with velocity changing at 9.8 m/s every second, it will take between 2 and 3 seconds to reach 23.6 m/s.

More precisely, the car's initial vertical velocity is zero, so using the downward direction as positive, its change in velocity is `dv = 23.6 m/s.

• Its acceleration is a = `dv / `dt, so

• `dt = `dv / a = 23.6 m/s / (9.8 m/s^2) = 2.4 sec, approx..

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Question: ` prin phy and gen phy problem 2.52 car 0-50 m/s in 50 s by graph

How far did the car travel while in 4 th gear and how did you get the result?

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Given Solution: ** In 4th gear the car's velocity goes from about 36.5 m/s to 45 m/s, between clock times 16 s and 27.5 s.

Its average velocity on that interval will therefore be

vAve = (36.5 m/s + 45 m/s) / 2 = 40.75 m/s and the time interval is

'dt = (27.5s - 16s) = 11.5 s.

We therefore have

'ds = vAve * `dt = 40.75 m/s * 11.5 s = 468.63 m.

The area under the curve is the distance traveled, since vAve is represented by the average height of the graph and `dt by its width. It follows that the area is vAve*'dt, which is the displacement `ds.

The slope of the graph is the acceleration of the car. This is because slope is rise/run, in this case that is 'dv/'dt, which is the ave rate of change of velocity or acceleration.

We already know `dt, and we have `dv = 45 m/s - 36.5 m/s = 8.5 m/s.

The acceleration is therefore

a = `dv / `dt = (8.5 m/s) / (11.5 s) = .77 m/s^2, approx. **

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Self-critique (if necessary): I must be missing something or not seeing something because I don’t understand what the question is asking. I read through the answer and understood the concepts and what I was supposed to do, but can’t relate it to the information given in the question. To re-emphasize for myself.. the area under this graph would be the distance traveled and the line itself is the acceleration of the car.

This is an assigned text problem, chapter 2 problem 52.

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