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course Mth 173

10:17 p.m. 2/4

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Question: `qNote that there are 7 questions in this assignment.

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Question: `q001. If the water and a certain cylinder is changing depth at a rate of -4 cm/sec at the t = 20 second instant, at

which instant the depth is 80 cm, then approximately what do you expect the depth will be at the t = 21 second instant?

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Your solution:

This looks to simple to for me to think of it in terms of math. I see it as 1 second has past. it was at 80cm. and the rate is at -

4cm per second

1 second, -4 per second, is 76cm.

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Given Solution:

`aAt a rate of -4 cm/s, for the 1-second interval between t = 20 s and t = 21 s the change in depth would be -4 cm/s * 1 sec

= -4 cm. If the depth was 80 cm at t = 20 sec, the depth at t = 21 sec would be 80 cm - 4 cm/ = 76 cm.

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would it actually be SLIGHTLY smaller than 76cm, like 75.999999 or something, since the rate wouldn't be exactly

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In the real world nothing would be exact. However with the assumptions of the problem, 76 cm is the only answer that completely agrees with the stated conditions.

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Question: `q002. Using the same information, what the you expect the depth will be depth at the t = 30 sec instant? Do you

think this estimate is more or less accurate than the estimate you made for the t = 21 second instant?

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Your solution:

Id guess it be less accurate since the rate remains the same and a lot more time has past. id guess about 38.2

so the depth would be 41.8, just looking at it it feels like the depth should be a bit higher than my guess though.

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Given Solution:

`aAt - 4 cm/s, during the 10-second interval between t = 20 sec and t = 30 sec we would expect a depth change of -4

cm/sec * 10 sec = -40 cm, which would result in a t = 30 sec depth of 80 cm - 40 cm = 40 cm.

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Question: `q003. If you know that the depth in the preceding example is changing at the rate of -3 cm/s at the t = 30 sec

instant, how will this change your estimate for the depth at t = 30 seconds--i.e., will your estimate be the same as before, will

you estimate a greater change in depth or a lesser change in depth?

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Your solution:

the preceding exmaple was at a rate of -4cm/s, and if it was changed that far down at t=30, the guess would be quite

different. and I would use an average of the two rates.

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Given Solution:

`aSince the rate of depth change has changed from -4 cm / s at t = 20 s to -3 cm / s at t = 30 s, we conclude that the depth

probably wouldn't change as much has before.

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Question: `q004. What is your specific estimate of the depth at t = 30 seconds?

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Your solution:

if we know it is -3cm/s at 3? I'd guess the depth is 45cm at 30 seconds.

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Given Solution:

`aKnowing that at t = 20 sec the rate is -4 cm/s, and at t = 30 sec the rate is -3 cm/s, we could reasonably conjecture that

the approximate average rate of change between these to clock times must be about -3.5 cm/s. Over the 10-second interval

between t = 20 s and t = 30 s, this would result in a depth change of -3.5 cm/s * 10 sec = -35 cm, and a t = 30 s depth of

80 cm - 35 cm = 45 cm.

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Question: `q005. If we have a uniform cylinder with a uniformly sized hole from which water is leaking, so that the quadratic

model is very nearly a precise model of what actually happens, then the prediction that the depth will change and average rate

of -3.5 cm/sec is accurate. This is because the rate at which the water depth changes will in this case be a linear function of

clock time, and the average value of a linear function between two clock times must be equal to the average of its values at

those to clock times.

If y is the function that tells us the depth of the water as a function of clock time, then we let y ' stand for the function that tells

us the rate at which depth changes as a function of clock time.

If the rate at which depth changes is accurately modeled by the linear function y ' = .1 t - 6, with t in sec and y in cm/s, verify

that the rates at t = 20 sec and t = 30 sec are indeed -4 cm/s and -3 cm/s.

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Your solution:

.1 of 20 = 2 -6 = -4, and this equation is for rates, so that is -4cm/s

.1 of 30 is 3 -3 = -3, and since in the equation for rates, -3cm/s

They do fit.

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Given Solution:

`aAt t = 20 sec, we evaluate y ' to obtain y ' = .1 ( 20 sec) - 6 = 2 - 6 = -4, representing -4 cm/s.

At t = 30 sec, we evaluate y' to obtain y' = .1 ( 30 sec) - 6 = 3 - 6 = -3, representing -3 cm/s.

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Question: `q006. For the rate function y ' = .1 t - 6, at what clock time does the rate of depth change first equal zero?

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Your solution:

well knowing .1 of a digit the tens place will change it to the ones play, id say put 6 in the tens place, 60

.1*60= 6

6-6= 0

so t=60 would be my guess of when it first equals 0.

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Given Solution:

`aThe rate of depth change is first equal to zero when y ' = .1 t - 6 = 0. This equation is easily solved to see that t = 60 sec.

STUDENT COMMENT

This was pretty straight forward, I could look at it and figure out the time to find zero, but if the times were not spaced

out by ten second intervals the finding of zero would be hard to do.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

If you write down the equation and solve it, it works out easily enough.

For example if the equation was .07 t - 12 = 0, you would add 12 to both sides then divide by .07 to get t = 12 / .07, which

is approximately 170.

Of course if the equation is more difficult (e.g an equation like .02 t^2 + 4.2 t^2 - t + 9 = 0) it gets harder to solve for t, and it

doesn't take much to come up the an equation that's impossible to solve. But the linear equation of this problem wouldn't be

difficult.

You will in any case be expected to be able to solve linear and quadratic equations.

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Question: `q007. How much depth change is there between t = 20 sec and the time at which depth stops changing?

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Your solution:

if I recall correctly the depth was originally 80...so 80 to zero would be...80cm change?

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Given Solution:

`aThe rate of depth change at t = 20 sec is - 4 cm/s; at t = 60 sec the rate is 0 cm/s. The average rate at which depth

changes during this 40-second interval is therefore the average of -4 cm/s and 0 cm/s, or -2 cm/s.

At an average rate of -2 cm/s for 40 s, the depth change will be -80 cm. Starting at 80 cm when t = 20 sec, we see that the

depth at t = 60 is therefore 80 cm - 80 cm = 0.

STUDENT QUESTION

I dont totally understand where the 2 cm/s comes from.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The two rates -4 cm/s and 0 cm/s, calculated from the given rate function, are applicable to the interval between t = 20 sec

and t = 60 sec.

The first is the rate at the beginning of the interval, and the second is the rate at the end of the interval.

Without additional information, our first conjecture would be that the average rate is the average of the initial and final rates.

For different situations this conjecture might be more or less valid; in this case since the rate function is linear, it turns out that it

is completely valid.

The average of the two rates -4 cm/s and 0 cm/s is -2 cm/s, and this is the rate we apply to our analysis of this interval.

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why must we do the rates if we know it dropped to 0, and we knew the current depth?

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We don't know where the hole is relative to the bottom of the container.

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Besides, even if we know the flow ends when depth = 0, we don't know until we have verified that our model is consistent with this knowledge that it is so.

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