Query 18

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course MTH 151

4/17/11:00

018. `query 18

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Question: `qquery 4.1.6 egyptian form of 23,145

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Your solution:

2 pointing fingers

3 lotus flower

1 scroll

4 heel bone

5 stroke

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

`a** You have 20,000, represented by two pointing fingers, plus 3,000, represented by three lotus flowers, plus 100, represented by 1 scroll, 40, represented by four heel bones, and 5, represented by 5 sticks. **

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Self-critique (if necessary):

I guess I should have put what to added them by…I was looking in the book at the chart and did not think to write out how it should be multiplied and added

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Self-critique Rating: OK

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Question: `qquery 4.1.30 lll sssss hhhh tt + ll sss sss hh ttt ttt

Using p, l, s, h, t for pointing finger, lotus flower, scroll, heel bone and tally stick explain how you obtained the given sum.

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Your solution:

3,542 + 233,233 = 236,775

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

`a** STUDENT SOLUTION USING THE WRONG METHODS:

Pointing finger is 10,000

lotus flower is 1000

scroll is 100

heel bone is 10

tally stick is 1

So the first number is 3500 + 40 + 2 = 2542, the second number is 2626. Adding up 3542 + 2626 we get 6168.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENT: This isn't how the Egyptians would have reasoned this problem out. They didn't have our decimal system, and you can't work the problem in our system unless they could do the same.

We can use digits to refer to small numbers, understanding that they would also have had names for these digits, but we use our system any further than that.

They would almost certainly have reasoned something like this:

You have a total of tt ttt ttt, which we represent as 8 tally sticks.

You have hhhh hh, which we represent as 6 heel bones.

You have sssss sss sss, which is the same as l s or 1 lotus flower to be included in the next step with the other lotus flowers, and one scroll.

You have lll ll in the original sum plus the l from the l ss you got in the previous step, for a total lll lll, which we see as six lotus flowers.

So the sum is lll lll ss hhhh hh tt ttt ttt.

6 lotus flowers represents 6 * 1,000 = 6,000 in our decimal system.

1 scroll represents 1 * 100 = 100 in our decimal system.

6 heel bones represents 6 * 10 = 60 in our decimal system.

8 tally sticks represents 8 * 1 = 8 in our decimal system.

The total is 6,000 + 100 + 60 + 8 = 6,168. **

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Self-critique (if necessary):

This makes no sense to me first off the students wrong method was first thing in the given solution which made me even more confused. What I did was look in the book at the given chart for Egyptian numbers and I would take however many numbers of the symbol and write it down…I am wrong but I do not understand how you got you answer either.

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Self-critique Rating: OK

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Question: `qquery 4.1.30 ppp ll h ttt + pp l sssss hhhh hhhh tttt tttt

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Your solution:

10,000

10,000

10,000

1

1

10

1

1

1

+

10,000

10,000

1

100

100

100

100

100

10

10

10

10

10

10

10

10

1

1

1

1

1

1

1

1

32,103

+ 21,588

53,691

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

`aCOMMON ERROR AND INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: The numbers are 32,013 and 21,588. When we add these numbers we get 63,601. This is ppp ppp lll sss sss t.

The Egyptians would have reasoned something like this:

You have 11 tally sticks, which will be represented by a heel bone and a tally stick.

You have nine heel bones in the sum, plus the one we get from the 10 tally sticks, so there are 10 heel bones. They will all be represented by a single scroll and no heel bones.

You have five scrolls, which in addition to the one that now represents the 10 heel bones gives you six scrolls.

There are three lotus flowers.

There are five pointing fingers.

So the sum is ppppp lll ssssss t.

This can all be summarized as follows:

ppp ll h ttt

+ pp l sssss hhhh hhhh tttt tttt

= ppp pp ll l sssss hhhh hhhh h ttt tttt tttt

= ppp pp ll l sssss hhhh hhhh hh t

= ppp pp ll l sssss s t

or ppppp lll ssssss t

which stands for 5,168. **

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Self-critique (if necessary):

In the book it shows that pointing finger is worth the number 10,000 if that is so then why and how would our sum in the given solution be any less than 10,000

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Self-critique Rating: OK

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Question: `q query 4.1.36 Using p, l, s, h, t for pointing finger, lotus flower, scroll, heel bone and tally stick explain how you obtained the product 36 * 81

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Your solution:

36*81=2916

hhh tttttt * hhhhhhhh t = ll sssssssss h tttttt

confidence rating #$&*: 3

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Given Solution:

`a** We use the Egyptian algorithm.

The first column will represent the numbers 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16. The second column will contain 81, 162, 324, 648 and 1296. Written out this looks like

1 81

2 162

4 324

8 648

16 1296

32 2592.

These numbers would of course have been written by the Egyptians using their notation. Doubling a number is done by doubling the number of tally sticks, heel bones, scrolls, etc., then regrouping if there are more than 10 in any group.

Keeping our numbers in the first column, but understanding that they would have used their own notation, they would have written their second column as follows:

1 hhhh hhhh t

2 s hhh hhh tt

4 sss hh tttt

8 sss sss hh hh tttt tttt

16 l ss hh hh hh hh h ttt ttt

32 ll ss ss s hhhh hhhh h tt

To make up the number 36 on the left we need to use the third and sixth rows (4 and 32).

This means that we will add the corresponding numbers sss hh tttt and ll ss ss s hhhh hhhh h tt, which will give us ll ss ss s sss s h tttt tt, standing for 2916. **

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Self-critique (if necessary):

Im very confused and I seem to be doing most of these wrong. What the book is saying and what your given solutions are not matching up in my mind I must be misinterpreting something somewhere but Im not exactly sure where.

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