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Question: `q001. Find the surface area of the portion of the surface z = y^2 that lies over the triangular region in the plane with vertices (0,0,0), (1,0,0) and (0,1,0).YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Your solution:

on the xy plane we see pts at (0,0,0), (1,0,0) and (0,1,0), with edges of length 1 connecting (0,0,0) to (1,0,0) and another edge from (0,0,0) to (0,1,0). The important egde connects (1,0,0) to (0,1,0) giving us the boundary of y = 1-x. So in the xy plane y goes from 0 to 1-x and x from 0 to 1. Using our equation for Double integral

Int(Int( `sqrt(f_x + f_y + 1) dy) dx), where f_y = 2y and f_x = 0. So…

Int(Int( `sqrt(2y + 1) dy,0,x-1) dx,0,1)

Int( `sqrt(2y + 1) dy) = (2/3)*(2y + 1)^(3/2), evaluated

[(2/3)* (2(x-1) + 1)^(3/2)] - [(2/3)*(2*0 + 1)^(3/2)]

= (2x-1)^(3/2)/3 - (2/3)

Int((2/3)* (2x - 1)^(3/2)- (2/3) dx) = Int((2/3)* (2x - 1)^(3/2) dx) - Int( (2/3) dx)

Int((2/3)* (2x - 1)^(3/2) dx) = (2/3)*Int((2x - 1)^(3/2) dx) = (2/3)*2(2x-1)^(5/2)/5

= 4(2x-1)^(5/2)/15

Int( (2/3) dx) = (2/3) Int( 1 dx) = (2/3)x, so we get

Int((2/3)* (2x - 1)^(3/2)- (2/3) dx) = 4(2x-1)^(5/2)/15 - (2/3)x, evaluated

[4(2*1-1)^(5/2)/15 - (2/3)*1] - [4(2*0-1)^(5/2)/15 - (2/3)*0]

= [(4/15) - (2/3)] - ( - 4/15)

= -2/15

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Given Solution:

The triangular region is in the x y plane and is bounded by x axis, the y axis and the line y = 1 - x.

It can therefore be described by 0 <= x <= 1, 0 <= y <= 1 - x.

Quick solution:

We integrate sqrt(1 + f_x^2 + f_y^2) over the region.

For f(x, y) = 2 y, we have

sqrt(1 + f_x^2 + f_y^2) = sqrt( 1 + 4 y^2)

so our integral is

INT(INT(sqrt(1 + 4 y^2) dy, 1, 1 - x), dx, 0, 1),

which is approximately .63.

This makes sense, because the area of the triangular region is .5, and the parabolic region makes a relatively modest angle with vertical above most of the triangle.

Above the point (x, y), a vector normal to the surface z = y^2 is the cross product of i + f_x k and j + f_y k, where f(x, y) = y^2. This gives us the normal vector i X (j + 2 y k) = k - 2 y i.

Alternatively the surface z = f(x, y) is a level surface of the function F(x,y,z) = z - f(x, y). Since the gradient of this function is normal to the level surface, the vector del F(x, y, z) is normal to the surface.

In this case the surface is a level curve of F(x, y, z) = z - f(x, y) = z - y^2, so F_x = 0, F_y = -2 y and F_z = 1. The gradient is therefore 0 i - 2 y j + k., the same as that found previously.

In general the gradient of z - f(x, y) is -f_x i - f_y j + k, and the cosine of its angle with the k vector is 1 / sqrt( 1 + f_x^2 + f_y^2 ).

The unit normal to the xy plane is k, so the cosine of the angle between the normal to the surface and the normal to the xy plane is

cos(theta) = ( k - 2 y i ) dot k / | k - 2 y i | = 1 / sqrt( 1 + (2y)^2 ) = 1 / sqrt( 1 + 4 y^2 ).

The portion of the our surface which lies above an area increment `dA with dimensions `dx by `dy, located at (x_hat, y_hat) has an area that is equal to `dA, if the surface is parallel to the x y plane, and an area greater than `dA, if the surface is not parallel to the x y plane. The ratio of the areas is 1 / cos(theta) = sec(theta), where theta is the angle between the normal to the surface and the normal to the plane. The cosine of that angle was found above to be 1 / sqrt( 1 + 4 y^2 ). The reciprocal is sec(theta) = sqrt( 1 + 4 y^2 ). For the sample point (x_hat, y_hat) we have sec(theta) = sqrt( 1 + 4 y_hat^2 ).

So the surface area corresponding to our area increment is sqrt( 1 + 4 y_hat^2 ) `dA = sqrt( 1 + 4 y_hat^2 ) `dy `dx.

Our Riemann sum leads us to the integral

int ( int ( sqrt(1 + 4 y^2) dy, 0, 1 - x) dx, 0, 1)

STUDENT QUESTION

OK, except I got (5/6)=0.83 and you got 0.63??!?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

.63 is correct to 2 significant figures.

5/6 can't be right. The integral is way too complicated for a rational-number solution. Square roots, at the very least, would be required.

An antiderivative for the y integral is

ln(sqrt(4y^2 + 1) + 2y)/4 + y* sqrt(4 y^2 + 1)/2.

You get this by starting with the trig substitution y = tan(theta) / 4. You use the identity 1 + tan^2(theta) = sec^2(theta), and y ' = tan(theta) sec(theta) / 4 so dy = 1/4 tan(theta) sec(theta) dTheta. Fairly straightforward, if you're up on trig substitution.

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I forgot to square f_y, which is the reason for my incorrect answer.

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Question: `q002. Find the surface area of the portion of the sphere x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 36 that lies above the plane z = 4.

The sphere intersects the plane when

x^2 + y^2 + 4^2 = 36 so that

x^2 + y^2 = 20.

This describes a circle of radius 2 sqrt(5) centered at the origin.

This circle can be described by

-2 sqrt(5) <= x <= 2 sqrt(5)

-sqrt(20 - x^2) <= y <= sqrt(20 - x^2)

A vector normal to the sphere at point (x, y, z), obtained using the gradient, is 2 x i + 2 y j + 2 z k. This should be no surprise, since the radial vector x i + y j + z k is normal to the surface at (x, y, z); the first of these is just double the first.

Using either we will find that cos(theta) = z / sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) = sqrt(36 - x^2 - y^2) / 6, so we will integrate 6 / sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2) over our circle..

Alternatively we can solve the equation of the sphere for z, obtaining z = f(x, y) = sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2 ). In this case f_x = - x / sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2), f_y = - y / sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2), and sqrt( 1 + f_x^2 + f_y^2) = 6 / sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2).

We integrate the expression sqrt( 1 + f_x^2 + f_y^2) = 6 / sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2) over the region, obtaining

int(int(6 / sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2) dy, -sqrt(20 - x^2) , sqrt(20 - x^2) ) dx, -2 sqrt(5), 2 sqrt(5) ).

The result is 24 pi.

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Your solution:

I didn’t look at solution,

First we calculate Partial derivatives

f_x = 2x

f_y = 2y

So our surface integral is

Int(Int( `sqrt(f_x^2 + f_y^2 + 1 `dA) = Int(Int( 4x^2 + 4x^2 + 1 `dA)

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Int(Int sqrt( 4x^2 + 4x^2 + 1 `dA) )*@

@& However the function that describes the surface is z = f(x, y) = sqrt( 36 - x^2 - y^2). When you find the partial derivatives, you need to find the partials of this function.

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@& Everything else you do looks good, so you're not doing badly at all. Most of your errors will be easy to fix.

You're seeing everything very well at this point. Just missing a detail here and there.*@

To find limits on region D, note paraboloid intersects the plane z = 4, in the circle x^2 + y^2 = 20. Projection of surface area is x^2+y^2 <= 20 in the xy plane

Converting to polar coord x = rcos(`theta), y = rsin(`theta)

Region is bonded by 0 <= r <= `sqrt(20) and 0 <= `theta <= 2`pi, so we have

Surface Area = Int(Int( `sqrt(4r^2 + 1) r `dr,0,`sqrt(20)) `dtheta,0,2`pi)

Int( `sqrt(4r^2 + 1)) r `dr , letting u = 4r^2 + 1, du = 8r dr

Int( (1/8)*`sqrt(u) `du) = (1/8)*((2/3)u^(3/2), evaluated

(1/8)*(2/3)*(`sqrt(20)^(3/2)) = 20^(3/4)*(1/12)

Int( 20^(3/4)*(1/12) `dtheta) = 20^(3/4)*(1/12)*`theta, evaluated

`20^(3/4)*(1/12)*2`pi = approx. 4.95

???I don’t know why I’m having so much trouble, I felt like I was seeing this problem correctly, but our solutions are nowhere near the same. Would it not be easier to do this double integral wrt the projection on xy plane in polar coord? I can try and follow everything in you explanation and it makes sense but the polar coord seems a lot easier to calculate, unless I’ve missed something which is VERY possible!????

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Question: `q003. Find the surface area of the portion of the cylinder x^2 + z^2 = 9 which lies above the triangle with vertices (0,0,0), (1,1,0), (1,0,0).

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Your solution:

We first find the fn of the surface area which is z = `sqrt( x^2 + 9), now we would find partial dervatives I believe

f_x = f(g(h))’ = f’(g(h)*g’(h) = (1/(2(x^2+9)^(1/2)))*(2x) = x/(x^2 + 9)^(1/2)

f_y = 0

So our surface integral is

Int(Int( `sqrt(f_x^2 + f_y^2 + 1 `dA) = Int(Int(`sqrt([x/(x^2 + 9)^(1/2)]^2 + 1 dy, 0,1-x) x,0,1)

Int(`sqrt([x^2/(x^2 + 9) + 1) dy) = `sqrt([x^2/(x^2 + 9) + 1)*Int( 1 dy)

= `sqrt(x^2/(x^2 + 9) + 1)*y,evaluating

`sqrt(x^2/(x^2 + 9) + 1)*(1 - x)

Int(`sqrt(x^2/(x^2 + 9) + 1)*(1 - x)dx)

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Given Solution:

The cylinder has gradient vector 2 x i + 2 z k, so cos(theta) = 2 z / 2 sqrt( x^2 + z^2) = z / sqrt( x^2 + z^2) and sec(theta) = sqrt( x^2 + z^2 ) / 2 z. Since z = sqrt(9 - x^2) this simplifies to sqrt( 9 ) / ( sqrt( 9 - x^2) ). This is the function we integrate over the region.

Alternatively z = f(x,y) = sqrt( 9 - x^2) so f_x = -x / sqrt( 9 - x^2), f_y = 0 and sqrt( 1 + f_x^2 + f_y^2 ) = sqrt( 1 + x^2 / (9 - x^2) ) = sqrt( 9 / (9 - x^2) ) = 3 / sqrt( 9 - x^2 ).

Either way this function is integrated over the region 0 < x <= 1, 0 <= y <= 1 - x.

The integral is

int( int( 3 / sqrt( 9 - x^2) dy, 0, 1-x) dx, 0, 1)

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Self-critique (if necessary):

I finally see, where I was to have z =`sqrt(9-x^2) I had z = x^2 + 9

Int(3 / sqrt( 9 - x^2) dy) = y*(3 / sqrt( 9 - x^2)), evaluated

(1-x)* (3 / sqrt( 9 - x^2) = -3*(x - 1)/(`sqrt(9 - x^2)

Int(-3*(x - 1)/(`sqrt(9 - x^2) dx), using Trig substitution x = 3sin(`theta), dx = 3cos(`theta) `dtheta,

with 9-x^2 = 9cos(`theta)^2. So…

Int(-3*(x - 1)/(`sqrt(9 - x^2)

= Int([-3*(3cos(`theta - 1)/(`sqrt(9cos(`theta)^2)]*3cos(`theta) `dtheta)

= Int((3cos(`theta)*-3*(3sin(`theta )- 1))/(3cos(`theta)) `dtheta)

= Int((-3*(3sin(`theta )- 1) `dtheta) = 3(3cos(`theta) + `theta), where x = 3sin(`theta)

3(3cos(`theta) + `theta) = 3sin^-1(x/3) + 3`sqrt(9-x^2), so that

Int(-3*(x - 1)/(`sqrt(9 - x^2) = 3(sin^-1(x/3) + `sqrt(9 - x^2)), evaluated

3(sin^-1(1/3) + `sqrt(9 - 1^2)) - 3(sin^-1(0/3) + `sqrt(9 - 0^2))

= 3sin^-1(1/3) + 6*`sqrt(2) - 9

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@& You appear to be in good shape overall. Just a detail or two, which with a little more practice won't give you any trouble.

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