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or do not understand about it. This response should be given, based on the work you

did in completing the assignment, before you look at the given solution.

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Question: `qQuery set 3 #'s 13-14 If an object of mass m1 rests on a

frictionless tabletop and a mass m2 hangs over a good pulley by a string attached to

the first object, then what forces act on the two-mass system and what is the net

force on the system? What would be the acceleration of the system? How much would

gravitational PE change if the hanging mass descended a distance `dy?

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Your solution:

Fnet=m2*g

a=F/m=(g*m2)/(m1+m2)

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Given Solution:

`a** The net force on the system is the force of gravity on the suspended weight:

Fnet = m2 * 9.8 m/s/s

Gravity also acts on m1 which is balanced by force of table on m1, so the forces on

m1 make no contribution to Fnet.

Acceleration=net force/total mass = 9.8 m/s^2 * m2 / (m1+m2).

If the mass m2 descends distance `dy then gravitational PE decreases by - m2 g *

`dy.

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS AND INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:

Misconception: The tension force contributes to the net force on the 2-mass system.

Student's solution:

The forces acting on the system are the forces which keep the mass on the table, the

tension in the string joining the two masses, and the weight of the suspended mass.

The net force should be the suspended mass * accel due to gravity + Tension.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENT:

String tension shouldn't be counted among the forces contributing to the net force

on the system.

The string tension is internal to the two-mass system. It doesn't act on the system

but within the system.

Net force is therefore suspended mass * accel due to gravity only

'The forces which keep the mass on the table' is too vague and probably not

appropriate in any case. Gravity pulls down, slightly bending the table, which

response with an elastic force that exactly balances the gravitational force. **

STUDENT COMMENT

I don't understand why m1 doesn't affect the net force. Surely it has to, if mass1

was 90kg, or 90g, then are they saying that the force would be the same regardless?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

m1 has no effect on the net force in the given situation.

Whatever the mass on the tabletop, it experiences a gravitational force pulling it

down, and the tabletop exerts an equal and opposite force pushing it up. So the mass

of that object contributes nothing to the net force on the system.

The mass m1 does, however, get accelerated, so m1 does have a lot to do with how

quickly the system accelerates. The greater the mass m1, the less accelerating

effect the net force will have on the system.

Also if friction is present, the mass m1 is pulled against the tabletop by gravity,

resulting in frictional force. The greater the mass m1, the greater would be the

frictional force.

All these ideas are addressed in upcoming questions and exercises.

STUDENT COMMENT

I understand the first few parts of this problem, but I am still a little unsure

about the gravitational PE.

I knew what information that was required to solve the problem, but I just thought

the solution would be more that (-m2 * 9.8m/s^2 * ‘dy).

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Only m2 is changing its altitude, so only m2 experiences a change in gravitational

PE.

Equivalently, only m2 experiences a gravitational force in its direction of motion,

so work is done by gravity on only m2.

STUDENT COMMENT

I forgot that PE = m * g * 'dy. And I did not think that the table exerting force on

the mass took it out of the system. I understand the idea though.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

the table doesn't take the mass out of the system, but it does counter the force

exerted by gravity on that mass

so the total mass of the system is still the total of the accelerating masses, but

the net force is just the force of gravity on the suspended mass, (since the system

is said to be frictionless, there is no frictional force to consider)

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Question: `qHow would friction change your answers to the preceding question?

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Your solution:

Friction would be subtracted from net Force.

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Given Solution:

`a**Friction would act to oppose the motion of the mass m1 as it slides across the

table, so the net force would be m2 * g - frictional resistance. **

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Question: `qExplain how you use a graph of force vs. stretch for a rubber band to

determine the elastic potential energy stored at a given stretch.

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Your solution:

PE is the under under the graph.

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Given Solution:

`a** If we ignore thermal effects, which you should note are in fact significant

with rubber bands and cannot in practice be ignored if we want very accurate

results, PE is the work required to stretch the rubber band. This work is the sum

of all F * `ds contributions from small increments `ds from the initial to the final

position. These contributions are represented by the areas of narrow trapezoids on

a graph of F vs. stretch. As the trapezoids get thinner and thinner, the total area

of these trapezoids approaches, the area under the curve between the two stretches.

So the PE stored is the area under the graph of force vs. stretch. **

STUDENT QUESTION

I am still a little confused about if the work is done by the rubber bands, or if

the work is done one the rubber bands.

Would you explain the difference?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

This example might be helpful:

If you pull the end of an anchored rubber band to the right, it exerts a force to

the left, in the direction opposite motion, so it does negative work during the

process.

You, on the other hand, pull in the direction of motion and do positive work on the

rubber band.

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Question: `q Does the slope of the F vs stretch graph represent something? Does

the area under the curve represent the work done? If so, is it work done BY or work

done ON the rubber bands?

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Your solution:

The slope is the change in force.

The area under the curve is amount of work done.

ON when stretching and BY when contracting.

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Given Solution:

`a** The rise of the graph is change in force, the run is change in stretch. So

slope = rise / run = change in force / change in stretch, which the the average rate

at which force changes with respect to stretch. This basically tells us how much

additional force is exerted per unit change in the length of the rubber band.

The area is indeed with work done (work is integral of force with respect to

displacement).

If the rubber band pulls against an object as is returns to equilibrium then the

force it exerts is in the direction of motion and it therefore does positive work on

the object as the object does negative work on it.

If an object stretches the rubber band then it exerts a force on the rubber band in

the direction of the rubber band's displacement, and the object does positive work

on the rubber band, while the rubber band does negative work on it. **

STUDENT QUESTION

Okay, so are you saying that the rubber band could either be doing work or getting

work done on it?

I believe I understand this, but just wanted to double check.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Yes, and that depends on whether the rubber band is being stretched, or contracting.

When it is being stretched positive work is being done on the rubber band.

After being released the rubber band does positive work on the object to which its

force is applied.

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