Query 9

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course Phy 231

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Question: See if you can answer the following question, which

came from a student:

Please define the difference between Fnet and Force.

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Your solution:

Fnet is the total forces acting on an object where Force is the

value of one Force.

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Given Solution:

Net force is the sum of all forces acting on an object.

Typically a number of forces act on a given object. The word

'force' can be used to refer to any of these forces, but the word

'net force' refers exclusively to the sum of all the forces (for

future reference note that the word 'sum' refers to a vector sum;

this idea of a vector sum will be clarified later).

If you're pushing your car on a level surface you are exerting a

force, friction is opposing you, and the net force is the sum of

the two (note that one is positive, the other negative so you end

up with net force less than the force you are exerting). Your

heart rate responds to the force you are exerting and the speed

with which the car is moving. The acceleration of the car

depends on the net force. **

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Question: Introductory prob set 3 #'s 1-6 If we know the

distance an object is pushed and the work done by the pushing

force how do we find the net force exerted on the object?

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Your solution:

W = F * d = F = W/d

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Given Solution:

Knowing the distance `ds and the work `dW we use the basic

relationship

`dW = F_net * `ds

Solving this equation for F we obtain

F_net = `dW / `ds

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Question: If we know the net force exerted on an object and the

distance through which the force acts how do we find the KE

change of the object?

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Your solution:

W = F(cos(x)) * d and W = change KE

so, change KE = F(cos(x)) * d

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Given Solution:

First answer to the question (work = force * distance):

This first answer serves to give you the main idea:

the KE change is equal to the work done by the net force.

the work done by the net force is the product of the force and

the distance through which it acts so

the KE change is equal to the product of the force and the

distance.

First answer modified to consider directions of force and motion

(work = force * displacement in direction of force):

The previous answer applies only if the net force is in same the

direction as the motion. More correctly:

the KE change is equal to the work done by the net force.

the work done by the net force is the product of the force and

the displacement (not 'distance') in the direction of the force

the KE change is equal to the product of the force and the

displacement in the direction of the force.

The key difference here is the use of the word 'displacement'

rather than 'distance'. Since a displacement, unlike a distance,

can be positive or negative, so the work done by a force can be

positive or negative.

Another thing to keep in mind for the future is that the

displacement is to be in the direction of the force. A negative

displacement therefore denotes a displacement in the direction

opposite the force. We will later encounter instances where the

force is not directed along the line on which the object moves,

in which case the work will be defined as the force multiplied by

the component of the displacement in the direction of the force.

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Sometimes we will want to think in terms of the forces exerted ON

objects, sometimes in terms of the forces exerted BY objects.

The above statement of the work-KE theorem is in terms of the

forces exerted ON an object.

The basic idea is simple enough.

If a force is exerted ON an object in its direction of motion,

the work is positive and the object tends to speed up.

On the other hand if the object exerts a force in its direction

of motion, it tends to slow down.

Positive work done ON an object tends to speed it up (increasing

its PE),

positive work done BY an object tends to slow it down (decreasing

its PE).

The above ideas are expanded below to consider forces exerted ON

objects vs. forces exerted BY objects.

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Synopsis of work-kinetic energy:

First be aware that because of Newton's Second Law, there are

typically two equal and opposite net forces, the net force which

acts on a system and the net force which is exerted by the

system. It is necessary to be careful when we label our forces;

it's easy to mix up forces exerted by a system with forces

exerted on the system.

The first basic principle is that the work by the net force

acting ON the system is equal and opposite to the work done by

the net force exerted BY the system.

The KE, on the other hand, is purely a property OF the system.

The kinetic energy change OF the system is equal to the work done

by the net force acting ON the system.

The kinetic energy change OF the system is therefore equal and

opposite to the work done by the net force exerted BY the system.

Intuitively, when work is done ON a system things speed up but

when the system does work things have to slow down. A more

specific statement would be

If positive work is done ON a system, the total kinetic energy of

the system increases.

If positive work is done BY a system, the total kinetic energy of

the system decreases.

(We could also state that if negative work is done ON a system,

its total KE decreases, which should be easy to understand. It is

also the case that if a system does negative work, its total KE

increases; it's easy to see that this is a logical statement but

most people fine that somehow it seems a little harder to grasp).

Below we use `dW_net_ON for the work done by the net force acting

ON the system, and `dW_net_BY for the work done by the net force

being exerted BY the system.

The work-kinetic energy theorem therefore has two basic forms:

The first form is

`dW_net_ON = `dKE

which states that the work done by the net force acting ON the

system is equal to the change in the KE of the system.

The second form is

`dW_net_BY + `dKE = 0

which implies that when one of these quantities is positive the

other is negative; thus this form tells us that when the system

does positive net work its KE decreases.

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Summary:

work = force * distance gives us the general idea but needs to be

refined

work = force * displacement is a correct definition as long as

motion is along a straight line parallel to the force

work = force * displacement in the direction of the force is true

for all situations

If the net force does positive work on the system, the system

speeds up. Negative work on the system slows it down. More

precisely:

`dW_net_ON is the work done by the net force acting ON the

system, and is equal to the KE change of the system. This is the

work-kinetic energy theorem.

One alternative way of stating the work-kinetic energy theorem:

Forces exerted on the system are equal and opposite to forces

exerted by the system, so

If the net force exerted by the system does positive work the

system slows down. Negative work done by the system speeds it

up:

`dW_net_BY is the work done by the net force exerted BY the

system, and is equal and opposite to the KE change of the system

This expanded discussion is in a separate document at the link

Expanded Discussion of Work and KE . It is recommended that you

bookmark this discussion and refer to it often as you sort out

the ideas of work and energy.

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Question: `qWhy is KE change equal to the product of net force

and displacement?

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Your solution:

Because the amount of work it takes is proportional to the

product of the Force and the distance.

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Given Solution:

This comes from the equation vf^2 = v0^2 + 2 a `ds.

Newton's 2d Law says that a = Fnet / m.

So vf^2 = v0^2 + 2 Fnet / m `ds.

Rearranging we get F `ds = 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2.

Defining KE as 1/2 m v^2 this is

F `ds = KEf - KE0, which is change in KE, so that

F `ds = `dKE.

Here F is the net force acting on the system, so we could more

specifically write this as

F_net_ON = `dKE.

STUDENT QUESTION: I do not see how you go from KE = 1/2 m v^2 to

F_net 'ds = kEf - Ke0

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

If KE = 1/2 m v^2, then

KEf = 1/2 m vf^2 stands for the KE at the end of the interval and

KE0 = 1/2 m v0^2 stands for the KE at the beginning of the

interval.

Then

F_net `ds = 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2 becomes

F_net `ds = KEf - KE0.

STUDENT COMMENT

In my answer I simply related it to work, I didn’t realize It was

supposed to be derived from a

formula. Either way, I have read through the solution and almost

fully understand. I am only slightly confused by the initial

choice of formula. Was this just because these were the units

that were given?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The definition of KE can be regarded as coming from the formula.

The formula is there, and when we substitute a = F / m we get

quantities which we define as work and KE.

The question that motivates us to do this is 'what happens when a

certain force is exerted over a certain distance?'

This question can be contrasted with 'what happens when a certain

force is exerted over a certain time interval?'. When we answer

this question, we get the quantities we define as impulse and

momentum.

University Physics Students Note: The formula approach outline

above is based on the equations of uniformly accelerated motion.

However the concept of work and kinetic energy applies whether

acceleration is uniform or not.

If a force F(x) is applied over a displacement interval from x_0

to x_f, we define the work to be the definite integral of F(x)

with respect to x, over this interval, and it isn't difficult to

show that the result is the change in the KE. If F(x) is

constant, then the result is equivalent to what we get from the

equations of uniform acceleration.

Similarly if force F(t) is applied over a time interval, an

integral leads us to the general definitions of impulse and

momentum.

STUDENT QUESTION

I do not understand why you related this to that one specific

equation

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

I assume you mean the equation

vf^2 = v0^2 + 2 a `ds.

The original question concerned the effect on velocity of

applying a given force on a given mass through a given

displacement, starting with a given initial velocity.

The given force and mass imply the acceleration.

Acceleration, initial velocity and acceleration imply the final

velocity.

So the equations arise naturally from the question.

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I have read this explaination and I understand it very well.

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Question: When we push an actual object with a constant force,

why do we not expect that the KE change is equal to the product F

* `ds of the force we exert and the distance?

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Your solution:

You are usually pushing against another force even if it just

very slight it will cause the change KE to not equal the F * d.

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Given Solution:

Change in KE is equal to the work done by the net force, not by

the force I exert. i.e.,

`dKE = F_net * `ds

The net force is not generally equal to the force I exert.

When I push an object in the real world, with no other force

'helping' me, there is always at least a little force resisting

my push. So the net force in this case is less than the force I

exert, in which case the change in KE would be less than the

product of the force I exert and the distance.

If another force is 'helping' me then it's possible that the net

force could be greater than the force I exert, in which case the

change in KE would be greater than the product of the force I

exert and the distance.

It is actually possible for the 'helping' force to exactly

balance the resisting force, but an exact balance would be nearly

impossible to achieve.

ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT: If I push in the direction of

motion then I do positive work on the system and the system does

negative work on me. That should increase the KE of the system.

However if I'm pushing an object in the real world and there is

friction and perhaps other dissipative forces which tend to

resist the motion. So not all the work I do ends up going into

the KE of the object.

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