Query 17

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along with a statement of what you do or do not understand about

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017. `query 17

ANSWERS/COMMENTARY FOR QUERY 17

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Question: `qprin phy and gen phy 6.33: jane at 5.3 m/s; how

high can she swing up that vine?

PE = KE loss

mgy = 0.5 * m * v^2

gy = 0.5 * v^2

9.8 m/sec^2 * y = 0.5 * 5.3^2 (m/sec)

y = 1.43 m

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Your solution:

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Given Solution:

Outline of solution:

Jane has KE. She goes higher by increasing her gravitational PE.

Her KE is 1/2 m v_0^2, where m is her mass and v0 is her velocity

(in this case, 6.3 m/s^2). If she can manage to convert all her

KE to gravitational PE, her KE will decrease to 0 (a decrease of

1/2 m v0^2) and her gravitational PE will therefore increase by

amount 1/2 m v_0^2.

The increase in her gravitational PE is m g `dy, where m is

again her mass and `dy is the increase in her altitude.

Thus we have

PE increase = KE loss

In symbols this is written

m g `dy = 1/2 m v0^2.

The symbol m stands for Jane's mass, and we can also divide both

sides by m to get

g `dy = 1/2 v0^2.

Since we know g = 9.8 m/s^2 and v0 = 6.3 m/s, we can easily find

`dy.

`dy = v0^2 / (2 g)

which is easily evaluated to obtain `dy = 1.43 m.

MORE DETAILED SOLUTION:

Jane is going to convert her KE to gravitational PE. We assume

that nonconservative forces are negligible, so that `dKE + `dPE =

0 and `dPE = -`dKE.

Jane's KE is .5 M v^2, where M is her mass. Assuming she swings

on the vine until she comes to rest at her maximum height, the

change in her KE is therefore

`dKE = KEf - KE0 = 0 - .5 M v0^2 = - .5 M v0^2, where v0 is her

initial velocity.

Her change in gravitational PE is M g `dy, where `dy is the

change in her vertical position. So we have

`dKE = - `dPE, or

- 1/2 M v0^2 = - ( M g `dy), which we solve for `dy (multiply

both sides by -1, divide both sides by M g) to obtain

`dy = v0^2 / (2 g) = (5.3 m/s)^2 / (2 * 9.8 m/s^2) = 1.43 m.

STUDENT QUESTION:

I’m confused as to where the 2 g came from

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

You are referring to the 2 g in the last line.

We have in the second-to-last line

- 1/2 M v0^2 = - ( M g `dy). Dividing both sides by - M g, and

reversing the right- and left-hand sides, we obtain

`dy = - 1/2 M v0^2 / (M g) = 1/2 v0^2 / g = v0^2 / (2 g).

STUDENT QUESTION

do we get dy'=v0^2/2g will this always be the case?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Most basic idea:

On the simplest level, this is a conversion of PE to KE. This is

the first thing you should understand.

The initial KE will change to PE, so the change in PE is equal to

the initial KE.

In this case the change in PE is m g `dy. For other situations

and other conservative forces the expression for `dPE will be

very different.

The simplest equation for this problem is therefore

init KE = increase in PE so that

1/2 m v0^2 = m g `dy

More general way of thinking about this problem:

More generally we want to think in terms of KE change and PE

change. We avoid confusion by not worrying about whether each

change is a loss or a gain.

Whenever conservative forces are absent, or being regarded as

negligible, we can set the expression for KE change, plus the

expression for PE change, equal to zero.

In the present example, KE change is (final KE - initial KE) = (0

- 1/2 m v^2) = -1/2 m v^2, while PE change is m g `dy.

We get the equation

-1/2 m v0^2 + m g `d y = 0.

This equation is easily rearranged to get our original equation

1/2 m v0^2 = m g `dy.

The very last step in setting up the problem should be to write

out the expressions for KE and PE changes.

The expression for PE change, for example, depends completely on

the nature of the conservative force. For gravitational PE near

the surface of the Earth, that expression is m g `dy. For

gravitational PE where distance from the surface changes

significantly the expression would be G M m / r1 - G M m / r2.

For a spring it would be 1/2 k x2^2 = 1/2 k x1^2.

The expression for KE change is 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2; this is

always the expression as long as mass doesn't change.

In this particular case the equation will read

1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2 + m g `dy = 0

If we let vf = 0, the previous equations follow.

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Question: `qprin phy and gen phy 6.39: 950 N/m spring

compressed .150 m, released with .30 kg ball. Upward speed, max

altitude of ball

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Your solution:

PEs = 0.5 * k *x^2

PEs = 0.5 * 950 * 0.150^2

PEs = 10.69 J

PEg = mgy

10.69 J = 0.3 kg * 9.8 m/sec^2 * y

y = 3.64 m

KE = 0.5 * m * v^2

10.69 J = 0.5 * 0.3 kg * v^2

v = 8.44 m/sec

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Given Solution:

`a

We being with a few preliminary observations:

We will assume here that the gravitational PE of the system is

zero at the point where the spring is compressed. In this

situation we must consider changes in both elastic and

gravitational PE, and in KE.

We also observe that no frictional or other nonconservative

forces are mentioned, so we assume that nonconservative forces do

no work on the system.

It follows that `dPE + `dKE = 0, so the change in KE is equal and

opposite to the change in PE.

The PE stored in the spring will be .5 k x^2 = .5 ( 950 N/m ) (

.150 m)^2 = 10.7 J.

Since the ball is moving in the vertical direction, between the

release of the spring and the return of the spring to its

equilibrium position, the ball has a change in gravitational PE

as well as elastic PE.

The change in elastic PE is -10.7 J, and the change in

gravitational PE is m g `dy = .30 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 * .150 m = +.44

J.

The total change in PE is therefore -10.7 J + 4.4 J = -10.3 J.

Summarizing what we know so far:

Between release and the equilibrium position of the spring, `dPE

= -10.3 J

During this interval, the KE change of the ball must therefore be

`dKE = - `dPE = - (-10.3 J) = +10.3 J.

Intuitively, the ball gains in the form of KE the 10.3 J of PE

lost by the system.

The initial KE of the ball is 0, so its final KE during its

interval of contact with the spring is 10.3 J. We therefore have

.5 m v^2 = KEf so that

vf=sqrt(2 KEf / m) = sqrt(2 * 10.3 J / .30 kg) = 8.4 m/s.

To find the max altitude to which the ball rises, we consider the

interval between release of the spring and maximum height.

At the beginning of this interval the ball is at rest so it has

zero KE, and the spring has 10.7 J of elastic PE.

At the end of this interval, when the ball reaches its maximum

height, the ball is again at rest so it again has zero KE. The

spring also has zero PE, so all the PE change is due to the

gravitational force encountered while the ball rises.

Thus on this interval we have `dPE + `dKE = 0, with `dKE = 0.

This means that `dPE = 0. There is no change in PE. Since the

spring loses its 10.7 J of elastic PE, the gravitational PE must

increase by 10.7 J.

The change in gravitational PE is equal and opposite to the work

done on the ball by gravity as the ball rises. The force of

gravity on the ball is m g, and this force acts in the direction

opposite the ball's motion. Gravity therefore does negative work

on the ball, and its gravitational PE increases. If `dy is the

ball's upward vertical displacement, then the PE change in m g

`dy.

Setting m g `dy = `dPE we get

`dy = `dPE / (m g)

= 10.7 J / ( .30 kg * 9.8 m/s^2)

= 10.7 J / (2.9 N) = 10.7 N * m / (2.9 N) = 3.7 meters.

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Question: `qgen phy problem A high jumper needs to be moving

fast enough at the jump to lift her center of mass 2.1 m and

cross the bar at a speed of .7 m/s. What minimum velocity does

she require?

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Your solution:

KE0 + PE0 = KE + PE

0.5 * m * v0^2 + mgy0 = 0.5 * m * vf^2 + mgy

0.5 * v0^2 + gy0 = 0.5 * vf^2 + gy

0.5 * v0^2 + = 0.5 * 0.7^2 m/sec + 9.8 m/sec^2 * 2.1 m

v0^2 = (0.245 m/sec + 20.58 m^2/ sec^2)*2

v0^2 = 41.65

v0 = 6.45 m/sec

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Given Solution:

`aFORMAL SOLUTION:

Formally we have `dPE + `dKE = 0.

`dPE = M * g * `dy = M * 20.6 m^2 / sec^2, where M is the mass of

the jumper and `dy is the 2.1 m change in altitude.

`dKE = .5 M vf^2 - .5 M v0^2, where vf is the .7 m/s final

velocity and v0 is the unknown initial velocity.

So we have

M g `dy + .5 M vf^2 - .5 M v0^2 = 0.

Dividing through by M we have

g `dy + .5 vf^2 - .5 v0^2 = 0.

Solving for v0 we obtain

v0 = sqrt( 2 g `dy + vf^2) = sqrt( 2* 9.8 m/s^2 * 2.1 m + (.7

m/s)^2 ) = sqrt( 41.2 m^2/s^2 + .49 m^2 / s^2) = sqrt( 41.7 m^2 /

s^2) = 6.5 m/s, approx..

LESS FORMAL, MORE INTUITIVE, EQUIVALENT SOLUTION:

The high jumper must have enough KE at the beginning to increase

his PE through the 2.1 m height and to still have the KE of his

.7 m/s speed.

The PE change is M * g * 2.1 m = M * 20.6 m^2 / sec^2, where M is

the mass of the jumper

The KE at the top is .5 M v^2 = .5 M (.7 m/s)^2 = M * .245 m^2 /

s^2, where M is the mass of the jumper.

Since the 20.6 M m^2 / s^2 increase in PE must come at the

expense of the initial KE, and since after the PE increase there

is still M * .245 m^2 / s^2 in KE, the initial KE must have been

20.6 M m^2 / s^2 + .245 M m^s / s^2 =20.8 M m^s / s^2, approx.

If initial KE is 20.8 M m^s / s^2, then .5 M v0^2 = 20.8 M m^s /

s^2.

We divide both sices of this equation by the jumper's mass M to

get

.5 v0^2 = 20.8 m^2 / s^2, so that

v0^2 = 41.6 m^2 / s^2 and

v0 = `sqrt(41.6 m^2 / s^2) = 6.5 m/s, appprox.

STUDENT QUESTION

I used the equation 'dy=v0^2 / (2g). Isn't that easier?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

Good, but that equation only applies under certain conditions.

Your solution didn't account for the final KE, which doesn't make

a lot of difference but does make enough to decide the winner of

a competitive match.

In general you don't want to carry an equation like 'dy=v0^2/(2g)

around with you. If you carry that one around, there are about a

hundred others that apply to different situations, and you'll

overload very quickly. Among other things, that equation doesn't

account for both initial and final KE. It applies only when the

PE change is gravitational, only near the surface of the Earth,

and only when the final KE is zero. Way too many special

conditions to keep in mind, way too much to remember.

You want to start your reasoning from `dKE + `dPE +

`dW_noncons_ON = 0.

We assume that nonconservative forces are negligible, so that

`dW_noncons_ON is itself zero, giving us

`dPE + `dKE = 0.

For this situation `dPE = m g `dy, `dKE = KE_f - KE_0 = 1/2 m

vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2, and the equation becomes

m g `dy + 1/2 m v0^2 - 1/2 m vf^2 = 0.

In a nutshell, there are only three things you need in order to

analyze similar situations:

`dKE + `dPE + `dW_noncons = 0

KE = 1/2 m v^2

`dPE = m g `dy (in the vicinity of the Earth's surface)

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Question: `qquery Univ. 7.42 (7.38 in 10th edition). 2 kg

block, 400 N/m spring, .220 m compression. Along surface then up

37 deg incline all frictionless. How fast on level, how far up

incline?

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Your solution:

PEs = 0.5 * k * x^2

PEs = 0.5 * 400 N/m * 0.22^2 m

PEs = 9.68 J

PEg = mgy

9.68 J = 2 kg * 9.8 m/sec^2 * sin(37) * y

y = 0.82 m

KE = 0.5 * m * v^2

9.68 J = 0.5 * 2 kg * v^2

v = 3.11 m/sec

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Given Solution:

`a** The spring exerts a force of 400 N / m * .220 m = 88 N at

the .220 m compression. The average force exerted by the spring

between equilibrium and this point is therefore (0 N + 88 N) / 2

= 44 N, so the work done in the compression is

`dW = Fave * `ds = 44 N * .220 m = 9.7 Joules, approx.

If all this energy is transferred to the block, starting from

rest, the block's KE will therefore be 5.0 Joules. Solving KE =

.5 m v^2 for v we obtain v = sqrt(2 KE / m) = sqrt(2 * 9.7 Joules

/ (2 kg) ) = 3.2 m/s, approx..

No energy is lost to friction so the block will maintain this

speed along the level surface. As it begins to climb the incline

it will gain gravitational PE at the expense of KE until the PE

is 9.7 J and the KE is zero, at which point it will begin to

slide back down the incline.

After traveling through displacement `ds along the incline the

height of the mass will be `ds sin(37 deg) = .6 `ds, approx., and

its gravitational PE will be PE = m g h = m g * .6 `ds = .6 m g

`ds.

Setting this expression equal to KE we obtain the equation

.6 m g `ds = KE,

which we solve for `ds to obtain

`ds = KE / (.6 m g) = 9.7 Joules / (.6 * 2 kg * 9.8 m/s^2) = .82

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Question: `qquery univ phy 7.50 62 kg skier, from rest, 65 m

high. Frict does -10.5 kJ.

What is the skier's speed at the bottom of the slope?

After moving horizontally over 82 m patch, air res 160 N, coeff

frict .2, how fast is she going?

Penetrating 2.5 m into the snowdrift, to a stop, what is the ave

force exerted on her by the snowdrift?

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Your solution:

PE = mgy

PE = 62 kg * 9.8 m/sec^2 * 65 m

PE = 39494 J

KE = 39494 - 10500

KE = 28994 J

KE = 0.5 * m * v^2

28994 = 0.5 * 62 kg * V^2

v= 30.58 m/sec

Then 160 N +(0.2 * 62 kg * 9.8 m/sec^2)

= 281.52 N

W = F * x

W = 281.52 N * 82 m

w = 23,084.60 J

KE = 28,994 J - 23,084.60 kJ

KE = 5,909.40 J

KE = 0.5 * m * v^2

5909.40 J = 0.5 * 62 kg * v^2

v = 13.81 m/sec

dw = F_Ave * ds

5909.40 J = F_Ave * 2.5 m

F_Ave = 2,363.76 N

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Given Solution:

`a** The gravitational PE of the skier decreases by 60 kg * 9.8

m/s^2 * 65 m = 38 kJ, approx. (this means 38 kiloJoules, or

38,000 Joules). The PE loss partially dissipated against

friction, with the rest converted to KE, resulting in KE = 38 kJ

/ 10.5 kJ = 27.5 kJ.

Formally we have

`dKE + `dPE + `dWnoncons = 0, where `dWnoncons is the work done

by the skier against friction. Since friction does -10.5 kJ of

work on the skier, the skier does 10.5 kJ of work against

friction and we have `dKE = -`dPE - `dWnoncons = - (-38 kJ) -

10.5 kJ = 27.5 kJ.

The speed of the skier at this point will be

v = sqrt( 2 KE / m) = sqrt( 2 * 27,500 J / (65 kg) ) = 30 m/s,

approx.

Over the 82 m patch the force exerted against friction will be .2

* 60 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 = 118 N, approx., so the force exerted

against nonconservative forces will be 118 N + 160 N = 280 N

approx.. The work done will therefore be

`dWnoncons = 280 N * 82 m = 23 kJ, approx.,

and the skier's KE will be

KE = 27.5 kJ - 23 kJ = 4.5 kJ, approx.

This implies a speed of

v = sqrt( 2 KE / m) = 12 m/s, approx.

To stop from this speed in 2.5 m requires that the remaining 4.5

kJ of KE be dissipated in the 2.5 m distance. Thus we have

`dW = Fave * `ds, so that

Fave = `dW / `ds = 4500 J / (2.5 m) = 1800 N.

This is a significant force, about 3 times the weight of the

skier, but distributed over a large area of her body will cause a

good jolt, but will not be likely to cause injury.**

STUDENT QUESTION

If the PE is = 20.6, then why is the initial KE= 20.6 so that we

are adding the .245 to the initial KE of 20.6 to get

20.8, I thought that the KE was equal and opposite to the PE why

would we not subtract here?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

`dKE + `dPE = 0, provided there are no nonconservative forces

acting on the system.

In such a case, PE goes up as the mass rises, so KE goes down.

Another way of looking at it: All or part of the KE converts to

PE.

The mass can only go as high as the initial KE permits. Once the

initial KE is 'used up', no increase in PE is possible (recall

the assumption that no nonconservative forces act during this

phase of motion).

At maximum height the mass is still moving in the horizontal

direction, so not all of the KE converts to PE.

In this case PE increases by 20.6 M m^2/s^2, .245 M m^2/s^2 of KE

is still present at the highest point, so about 20.8 M m^2 / s^2

of KE must have been present initially.

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