Query 24

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course Phy 231

8/2/11

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Your solution, attempt at solution. If you are unable to attempt

a solution, give a phrase-by-phrase interpretation of the problem

along with a statement of what you do or do not understand about

it. This response should be given, based on the work you did in

completing the assignment, before you look at the given solution.

024. `query 24

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Question: `qWhy was it necessary to let the string go slack at

the top of the circle in order to get the desired results?

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Your solution:

To allow gravity to be the only force acting on it.

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Given Solution:

`a** If the string goes slack just at the instant the weight

reaches the 'top' of its circular path then we are assured that

the centripetal acceleration is equal to the acceleration of

gravity.

If there is tension in the string then the weight is being pulled

downward and therefore toward the center by a force that exceeds

its weight.

If the string goes slack before the weight reaches the top of its

arc then the path isn't circular and our results won't apply to

an object moving in a circular arc. **

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Question: `qWhy do you expect that, if the string is released

exactly at the top of the circle, the initial velocity of the

washer will be horizontal?

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Your solution:

The washer will have more momentum in the horizontal because the

velocity will be tangent to the acr of rotation.

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Given Solution:

`a** The direction of an object moving in a circular arc is

perpendicular to a radial line (i.e., a line from the center to a

point on the circle). When the object is at the 'top' of its arc

it is directly above the center so the radial line is vertical.

Its velocity, being perpendicular to this vertical, must be

entirely in the horizontal direction. **

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Question: `qWhat is the centripetal acceleration of the washer at

the instant of release, assuming that it is released at the top

of its arc and that it goes slack exactly at this point, and what

was the source of this force?

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Your solution:

it will m * g

the force of gravity

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Given Solution:

`a** Under these conditions, with the string slack and not

exerting any force on the object, the centripetal acceleration

will be equal to the acceleration of gravity. **

STUDENT QUESTION: could this answer be achieved from the

equation given

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: This conclusion is drawn simply because the

object is traveling in a circular arc, and at this position the

string is not exerting any force on it. The only force acting on

it at this position is the gravitational force. Therefore its

centripetal acceleration is equal to the acceleration of gravity.

Knowing the radius of the circle and v, this allows us to make a

good estimate of the acceleration of gravity.

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Question: `qQuery principles of physics and general college

physics 7.02. Delivery truck 18 blocks north, 10 blocks east, 16

blocks south. What is the final displacement from the origin?

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Your solution:

R = sqrt((18-16)^2 + 10^2)

R = 10.20 Blocks

angle = tan^-1(2/10)

= 11.31 deg ccw from + x-axis

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Given Solution:

`aThe final position of the truck is 2 blocks south and 10 blocks

east. This is equivalent to a displacement of +10 blocks in the x

direction and -2 blocks in the y direction.

The distance is therefore sqrt( (10 blocks)^2 + (-2 blocks)^2 ) =

sqrt( 100 blocks^2 + 4 blocks^2)

= sqrt(104 blocks^2)

= sqrt(104) * sqrt(blocks^2)

= 10.2 blocks.

The direction makes and angle of

theta = arcTan(-2 blocks / (10 blocks) ) = arcTan(-.2) = -12

degrees

with the positive x axis, as measured counterclockwise from that

axis. This puts the displacement at an angle of 12 degrees in the

clockwise direction from that axis, or 12 degrees south of east.

STUDENT QUESTION:

Why don’t we add 180 to the angle since the y is negative?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

We add 180 degrees when the x component is negative, not when the

y component is negative. You that 168 degrees is in

the second quadrant, where the y component is positive.

The arctan gives us -12 degrees, which is in the fourth quadrant

(where the y component is negative and the x component

positive, consistent with the given information).

We often want an angle between 0 and 360 deg; when the vector is

in the fourth quadrant, so that the angle is negative, we

can always add 360 degrees to get an equivalent angle (called a

'coterminal' angle, 'coterminal' meaning 'ending at the same

point'). In this case the angle could be expressed as -12 degrees

or -12 degrees = 360 degrees = 348 degrees. Either angle

specifies a vector at 12 degrees below horizontal.

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Question: `qQuery principles of physics and general college

physics 7.18: Diver leaves cliff traveling in the horizontal

direction at 1.8 m/s, hits the water 3.0 sec later. How high is

the cliff and how far from the base does he land?

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Your solution:

y-y0 = (v0 sin(theta))t - 0.5gt^2

y-y0 = 0 - 0.5 * 9.8 m/sec^2 * (3 sec)^2

y-y0 = -44.1 m

y = 44.1 m

x-x0 = 0.5(v0 + vf) * t

x-x0 = 0.5(1.8 m/sec + 1.8 m/sec) * 3.0 sec

x-x0 = 5.4 m

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Given Solution:

`aThe diver's initial vertical velocity is zero, since the

initial velocity is horizontal. Vertical velocity is

characterized by the acceleration of gravity at 9.8 m/s^2 in the

downward direction. We will choose downward as the positive

direction, so the vertical motion has v0 = 0, constant

acceleration 9.8 m/s^2 and time interval `dt = 3.0 seconds.

The third equation of uniformly accelerated motion tells us that

the vertical displacement is therefore

vertical motion: `ds = v0 `dt + .5 a `dt^2 = 0 * 3.0 sec + .5 *

9.8 m/s^2 * (3.0 sec)^2 = 0 + 44 m = 44 m.

The cliff is therefore 44 m high.

The horizontal motion is characterized 0 net force in this

direction, resulting in horizontal acceleration zero. This

results in uniform horizontal velocity so in the horizontal

direction v0 = vf = vAve. Since v0 = 1.8 m/s, vAve = 1.8 m/s and

we have

horizontal motion: `ds = vAve * `dt = 1.8 m/s * 3.0 s = 5.4

meters.

STUDENT COMMENT/QUESTION

Why do we not calculate the magnitude for this problem, I know

the number are identical but it seems that this would tell us how

far from the base the diver traveled?

I understand how to calculate the magnitude using the pythagorean

theorem and the directions using arc tan, but I am not quite

clear on why and when it is neccessary. ?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The diver doesn't travel a straight-line path. His path is part

of a parabola. It would be possible to calculate the distance

traveled along his parabolic arc. However that would require

calculus (beyond the scope of your course) and while it would be

an interesting exercise, it wouldn't contribute much to

understanding the physics of the situation.

What you did calculate using the Pythagorean theorem is the

magnitude of the displacement from start to finish, i.e. the

straight-line distance from start to finish.

The diver's displacement is a vector with a magnitude (which you

calculated) and and angle (which you could easily have calculated

using the arcTangent). However this vector is not in the

direction of any force or acceleration involved in the problem,

and it's not required to answer any of the questions posed by

this situation. So in this case the displacement not

particularly important for the physics of the situation.

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Question: `qGen phy 3.13 A 44 N at 28 deg, B 26.5 N at 56 deg, C

31.0 N at 270 deg. Give your solution to the problem.

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Your solution:

44 N at 28 deg

Fx = 44cos(28)

= 38.849 N

Fy = 44sin(28)

= 20.656 N

26.5 N at 56 deg

Fx = 26.5cos(56)

= 14.818 N

Fy = 26.5sin(56)

= 21.969 N

31.0 N at 270 deg

Fx = 31cos(270)

= 0

Fy = 31sin(270)

= -31 N

Fnet_x = 14.818 + 38.849

= 53.67 N

Fnet_y = -31 + 21.969 +20.656

= 11.63 N

R = sqrt((53.67 N)^2 + ( 11.63 N)^2)

R = 54.92 N

angle = tan^-1 (11.63 N / 53.67 N)

= 12.23 deg ccw from + x-axis

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Given Solution:

`a** The solution given here is for a previous edition, in which

the forces are

Force A of 66 at 28 deg

Force B of B 40 at 56 deg

Force C of 46.8 at 270 deg

These forces are very close to 2/3 as great as the forces given

in the current edition, and all correct results will therefore be

very close to 2/3 as great as those given here.

Calculations to the nearest whole number:

A has x and y components Ax = 66 cos(28 deg) = 58 and Ay = 66

sin(28 deg) = 31

Bhas x and y components Bx = 40 cos(124 deg) = -22 and By = 40

sin(124 deg) = 33

C has x and y components Cx = 46.8 cos(270 deg) = 0 and Cy = 46.8

sin(270 deg) = -47

A - B + C therefore has components

Rx = Ax-Bx+Cx = 58 - (-22) + 0 = 80 and

Ry = Ay - By + Cy = 31-33-47=-49,

which places it is the fourth quadrant and gives it magnitude

`sqrt(Rx^2 + Ry^2) = `sqrt(80^2 + (-49)^2) = 94 at angle

tan^-1(Ry / Rx) = tan^-1(-49/53) = -32 deg or 360 deg - 32 deg =

328 deg.

Thus A - B + C has magnitude 93 at angle 328 deg.

B-2A has components

Rx = Bx - 2 Ax = -22 - 2 ( 58 ) = -139 and

Ry = By - 2 Ay = 33 - 2(31) = -29,

placing the resultant in the third quadrant and giving it

magnitude

`sqrt( (-139)^2 + (-29)^2 ) = 142 at angle

tan^-1(Ry / Rx) or tan^-1(Ry / Rx) + 180 deg. Since x < 0 this

gives us angle

tan^-1(-29 / -139) + 180 deg = 11 deg + 180 deg = 191 deg.

Thus B - 2 A has magnitude 142 at angle 191 deg.

Note that the 180 deg is added because the angle is in the third

quadrant and the inverse tangent gives angles only in the first

or fourth quandrant ( when the x coordinate is negative we'll be

in the second or third quadrant and must add 180 deg). **

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Question: `qUniv. 3.58. (This problem has apparently been

eliminated from recent editions, due to the now policitally

incorrect nature of the device being thrown. The problem is a

very good one and has been edited to eliminate politically

incorrect references). Good guys in a car at 90 km/hr are

following

bad guys driving their car, which at a certain instant is 15.8 m

in front of them and moving at a constant 110 km/hr; an

electronic jamming device is thrown by the good guys at 45 deg

above horizontal, as they observe it. This device must land in

the bad guy's car. With what speed must the device be thrown

relative to the good guys, and with what speed relative to the

ground?

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Your solution:

90*(1000/3600) = 25 m/sec

110*(1000/3600) = 30.56 m/sec

I do understand it now. I didn't understand how the velocities of

the cars and the device would be related in equations. I can see

the image in my head and understand what is going on but I didn't

know where to start.

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Given Solution:

`a** The device is thrown at velocity v0 at 45 deg, giving it v0y

= .71 v0 and v0x = .71 v0.

The device will return to its original vertical position so we

have `dsy = 0.

Using `dsy = v0y `dt + .5 g `dt^2 with `dsy = 0 and assuming the

upward direction to be positive we obtain

v0y `dt + .5 (-g) `dt^2 = 0 so that

`dt = 0 or `dt = - 2 * v0y / (-g) = 2 * 71 v0 / g.

In time `dt the horizontal displacement relative to the car will

be

`dsx = v0x `dt + ax `dt; since acceleration ax in the x direction

and v0x = .71 v0 is zero we have

`dsx = .71 v0 * `dt.

We also know that relative to the first car the second is moving

at 20 km / hr = 20,000 m / (3600 sec) = 5.55 m/s, approx.; since

its initial position is 15.8 m in front of the first car we have

`dsx = 15.8 m + 5.55 m/s * `dt.

To keep the equations symbolic we use x0Relative and vRelative

for the relative initial position and velocity of the second car

with respect to the first.

We thus have three equations:

`dt = 2 * .71 v0 / g = 1.42 v0 / g.

`dsx = .71 v0 * `dt

`dsx = x0Relative + v0Relative * `dt.

This gives us three equations in the variables v0, `dt and `dsx,

which we reduce to two by substituting the expression -2 to

obtain:

`dsx = .71 v0 * 1.42 v0 / g = v0^2 / g

`dsx = x0Relative + v0Relative * 1.42 v0 / g.

Setting the right-hand sides equal we have

v0^2 / g = x0Relative + v0Relative * 1.42 v0 / g, or

v0^2 - v0Relative * 1.42 v0 - g * x0Relative = 0.

We get

v0 = [1.42 v0Relative +-sqrt( (1.42 v0Relative)^2 - 4 * (-g *

x0Relative) ) ] / 2 =

[1.42 * v0Relative +-sqrt( (1.42 * v0Relative)^2 + 4 * g *

x0Relative) ] / 2.

Substituting 5.55 m/s for v0Relative and 15.8 m for x0Relative we

get

[1.42 * 5.55 m/s +-sqrt( (1.42 *5.55 m/s)^2 + 4 * 9.8 m/s^2 *15.8

m) ] / 2 =

17 m/s or -9.1 m/s, approx..

We conclude that the initial velocity with respect to the first

case must be 17 m/s.

Checking this we see that the device will have initial x and y

velocities 7.1 * 17 m/s = 12 m/s, approx., and will therefore

stay aloft for 2 * 12 m/s / (9.8 m/s^2) = 2.4 sec, approx..

It will therefore travel 2.4 sec * 12 m/s = 28 m, approx. in the

horizontal direction relative to the first car.

During this time the second car will travel about 5.55 m/s * 2.4

sec = 13 m, approx., resulting in relative position 15.8 m + 13 m

= 28.8 m with respect to the first. This is reasonably close to

the 28 m obtained from the motion of the projectile.

Correcting for roundoff errors will result in precise agreement.

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Question: `qUniv. 3.58. (This problem has apparently been

eliminated from recent editions, due to the now policitally

incorrect nature of the device being thrown. The problem is a

very good one and has been edited to eliminate politically

incorrect references). Good guys in a car at 90 km/hr are

following

bad guys driving their car, which at a certain instant is 15.8 m

in front of them and moving at a constant 110 km/hr; an

electronic jamming device is thrown by the good guys at 45 deg

above horizontal, as they observe it. This device must land in

the bad guy's car. With what speed must the device be thrown

relative to the good guys, and with what speed relative to the

ground?

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Your solution:

90*(1000/3600) = 25 m/sec

110*(1000/3600) = 30.56 m/sec

I do understand it now. I didn't understand how the velocities of

the cars and the device would be related in equations. I can see

the image in my head and understand what is going on but I didn't

know where to start.

confidence rating #$&*:

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Given Solution:

`a** The device is thrown at velocity v0 at 45 deg, giving it v0y

= .71 v0 and v0x = .71 v0.

The device will return to its original vertical position so we

have `dsy = 0.

Using `dsy = v0y `dt + .5 g `dt^2 with `dsy = 0 and assuming the

upward direction to be positive we obtain

v0y `dt + .5 (-g) `dt^2 = 0 so that

`dt = 0 or `dt = - 2 * v0y / (-g) = 2 * 71 v0 / g.

In time `dt the horizontal displacement relative to the car will

be

`dsx = v0x `dt + ax `dt; since acceleration ax in the x direction

and v0x = .71 v0 is zero we have

`dsx = .71 v0 * `dt.

We also know that relative to the first car the second is moving

at 20 km / hr = 20,000 m / (3600 sec) = 5.55 m/s, approx.; since

its initial position is 15.8 m in front of the first car we have

`dsx = 15.8 m + 5.55 m/s * `dt.

To keep the equations symbolic we use x0Relative and vRelative

for the relative initial position and velocity of the second car

with respect to the first.

We thus have three equations:

`dt = 2 * .71 v0 / g = 1.42 v0 / g.

`dsx = .71 v0 * `dt

`dsx = x0Relative + v0Relative * `dt.

This gives us three equations in the variables v0, `dt and `dsx,

which we reduce to two by substituting the expression -2 to

obtain:

`dsx = .71 v0 * 1.42 v0 / g = v0^2 / g

`dsx = x0Relative + v0Relative * 1.42 v0 / g.

Setting the right-hand sides equal we have

v0^2 / g = x0Relative + v0Relative * 1.42 v0 / g, or

v0^2 - v0Relative * 1.42 v0 - g * x0Relative = 0.

We get

v0 = [1.42 v0Relative +-sqrt( (1.42 v0Relative)^2 - 4 * (-g *

x0Relative) ) ] / 2 =

[1.42 * v0Relative +-sqrt( (1.42 * v0Relative)^2 + 4 * g *

x0Relative) ] / 2.

Substituting 5.55 m/s for v0Relative and 15.8 m for x0Relative we

get

[1.42 * 5.55 m/s +-sqrt( (1.42 *5.55 m/s)^2 + 4 * 9.8 m/s^2 *15.8

m) ] / 2 =

17 m/s or -9.1 m/s, approx..

We conclude that the initial velocity with respect to the first

case must be 17 m/s.

Checking this we see that the device will have initial x and y

velocities 7.1 * 17 m/s = 12 m/s, approx., and will therefore

stay aloft for 2 * 12 m/s / (9.8 m/s^2) = 2.4 sec, approx..

It will therefore travel 2.4 sec * 12 m/s = 28 m, approx. in the

horizontal direction relative to the first car.

During this time the second car will travel about 5.55 m/s * 2.4

sec = 13 m, approx., resulting in relative position 15.8 m + 13 m

= 28.8 m with respect to the first. This is reasonably close to

the 28 m obtained from the motion of the projectile.

Correcting for roundoff errors will result in precise agreement.

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