Query 25

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course Phy 231

8/2/11

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Your solution, attempt at solution. If you are unable to attempt

a solution, give a phrase-by-phrase interpretation of the problem

along with a statement of what you do or do not understand about

it. This response should be given, based on the work you did in

completing the assignment, before you look at the given solution.

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Question: `qprinciples of physics and gen phy 4.26 free-body

diagram of baseball at moment hit, flying toward outfield

gen phy list the forces on the ball while in contact with the

bat, and describe the directions of these forces

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Your solution:

Gravitational force pointed down. Force from the pitherc pointed

toward the bat. A force from the bat pointed toward the out

field.

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Given Solution:

`a** Gravity exerts a downward force equal to the weight of the

ball.

While in contact with the ball, and only while i contact, the bat

exerts a normal force, which pushes outward along a line

originating from the central axis of the bat. This force is

perpendicular to the surface of the bat at the point of contact.

Unless the direction of the ball is directly toward the center of

the bat, which will not be the case if the ball is hit at an

upward angle by a nearly level swing, there will also be a

frictional force between bat and ball. This frictional force will

be parallel to the surface of the bat and will act on the ball in

the 'forward' direction.

COMMON STUDENT ERROR: The gravitational force and the force

exerted by the ball on the bat are equal and opposite.

The force of the bat on the ball and the gravitational force are

not equal and opposite, since this is not an equilibrium

situation--the ball is definitely being accelerated by the net

force, so the net force is not zero. **

COMMON STUDENT ERROR: Confusing motion in a direction with force

in that direction.

There is no force associated with the motion of the ball. The

velocity of the ball in will remain unchanged if there is no net

force on the ball. Furthermore, if the is net force has zero

component in the x direction, the x velocity remains unchanged;

the analogous statement holds for the y direction.

STUDENT QUESTION

I got confused about the motion in the direction with the force

in that direction. I think I understand.

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The force tells you the direction of the acceleration, not the

direction of the velocity. From the force you can therefore tell

the direction of the change in velocity, not the direction of the

velocity itself.

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Self-critique (if necessary): OK

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Question: `qgen phy list the forces on the ball while flying

toward the outfield, and describe the directions of these forces

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Your solution:

Gravity downward and air resistance pointing toward the ball.

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Given Solution:

`a**After impact the forces are gravity, which is constant and in

the y direction, and air resistance. The direction of the force

of air resistance is opposite to the direction of motion. The

direction of motion is of course constantly changing, and the

magnitude of the force of air resistance depends on the speed of

the ball with respect to the air, which is also changing. **

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Self-critique (if necessary): OK

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Question: `qgen phy give the source of each force you have

described

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Your solution:

Gravity, air, and the bat.

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Given Solution:

`a** The gravitational force is the result of the gravitational

attraction between the ball and the Earth.

The normal force is the result of the elastic compression of bat

and ball.

The frictional force is due to a variety of phenomena related to

the tendency of the surfaces to interlock (electromagnetic forces

are involved) and to encounter small 'bumps' in the surfaces. **

ERRONEOUS STUDENT ANSWER:

the air, the pitcher, the bat/ batter. friction. gravity

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: All these are sources of force in one or

both situations (bat striking ball, ball flying toward outfield)

except the pitcher. The pitcher exerted a force previously, and

that force was instrumental in delivering the ball to the batter,

but that force ended well before any of these events occurred.

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Self-critique (if necessary): OK

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Question: `qgen phy what is the direction of the net force on the

ball while in contact with the bat?

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Your solution:

Toward the bat and down.

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Given Solution:

`a** We assume that the y axis is directed vertically upward, and

the x axis is horizontal.

The normal force will vary from 0 at the instant of first

contact, to a maximum at the instant of greatest compression, and

back to 0 at the instant contact ceases. So there is no single

normal force. However we can represent 'the' normal force as the

average normal force.

The gravitational force will remain constant.

The frictional force will vary with the changing normal force,

and we will speak here of the average frictional force.

The average normal force will be the greatest of these forces,

much greater than friction or gravity. The frictional force will

likely also exceed the gravitational force.

The y component of the normal force will overwhelm the y

components of the frictional force and the gravitational force,

both of which are downward, giving us a net y component slightly

less than the y component of the normal force.

The x component of the normal force will be reinforced by the x

component of the frictional force, making the x component of the

net force a bit greater than the x component of the normal force.

This will result in a net force that is 'tilted' forward and

slightly down from the normal force (see the figure at the end

for a vector diagram showing normal, frictional, gravitational

and resultant forces).

Note that the frictional and gravitational forces will tend to

'spin' the baseball as well as contributing to its translational

acceleration. The spinning effect is a topic for a later chapter.

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IMPORTANT NOTE: It is essential that you sketch a diagram

showing these forces. You are very unlikely to understand the

explanation given here without a picture. Even with a picture

this might be challenging. If you are not sure you understand,

you should submit a copy of this question and solution, along

your questions and/or commentary (mark insertions with ****).

STUDENT COMMENT: Not sure about the frictional force. Why is it

down? How do we calculate it?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE: The frictional force exerted on the ball by

the bat is perpendicular to the normal force, so the frictional

force is exerted in the plane tangent to both the ball and the

bat (imagine a flat piece of cardboard sandwiched between the

ball and the bat; it lies in this tangent plane. If you have a

line segment connecting the middle of the ball with the middle of

the bat, it is perpendicular to the tangent plane (this line

segment would cut through the piece of carboard at a right

angle). Note that the direction of the normal force on the ball

is along this line.).

It is clear that the x component of the frictional force on the

ball is in the 'forward' direction of motion. It is also clear

that the in the tangent plane, the 'forward' direction is also

downward. So the frictional force has a positive x component, and

a negative y component.

Assuming the ball does not 'slip' in contact with the bat, the

frictional force is the force of static friction. The force of

static friction cannot exceed the product of the coefficient of

friction and the normal force:

f_static < = mu * N, where f_static is the force of static

friction, mu is the coefficient of static friction and N is the

normal force.

STUDENT QUESTION

So the net force is tilted slightly, what does this mean, is it

parallel to the ball and then slightly

perpendicular at the same time so it tends to

curve?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Is there a ready made sketch in our notes so that I can see if

what I drew is correct?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The ball is represented in the figure below by the light pink

circle, the bat by the green circle. The ball has arrived from

the left, the bat is being swung to the right. The normal force

acts perpendicular to the surface where the ball and bat make

contact; the normal force is represented by the vector pointing

toward upper right. The frictional force acts parallel to the

surface of contact, and is represented by the shorter vector

pointing down and to the left. (The ball and bat actually

compress significantly, the ball more than the bat, and that

compression is the source of the normal force. However the

compression is not depicted in the figure.)

The figure does not represent the gravitational force on the

ball, which would be depicted as a downward force acting at the

center of the ball. In a typical 'hit', the gravitational force

would be much less than either the frictional or the normal

force.

The three forces are shown in the figure below, head-to-tail,

along with the resultant force (the resultant is in red; the

gravitational force is in the downward vertical direction and

would likely be much less than depicted here).

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Self-critique (if necessary): OK

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Question: `qgen phy what is the net force on the ball while

flying toward the outfield?

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Your solution:

Air resistance plus gravity.

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Given Solution:

`a** The net force will consist of the downward gravitational

force and the force of air resistance opposing the motion.

If the ball is rising the y component of the air resistance will

be in the downward direction, reinforcing the gravitational force

and giving a net downward y component slightly exceeding that of

gravity.

If the ball is falling the y component will be in the upward

direction, opposing the gravitational force and giving a net

downward y component slightly less than that of gravity.

In either case the x component will be in the direction opposite

to the 'forward' motion of the ball, so the net force will be

directed mostly downward but also a bit 'backward'.

There are also air pressure forces related to the spinning of the

ball; the net force exerted by air pressure causes the path of

the ball to curve a bit, but these forces won't be considered

here. **

STUDENT QUESTION

What about as the ball is moving forward, is ther no air

resistance being pushed against the ball horizontally as it flies

to the outfield?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The ball typically experiences air resistance with components in

both the x and the y direction.

If it's rising the y component of the air resistance is downward,

if it's falling the y component is upward. If it's at the very

top of its arc, then for an instant it is neither rising nor

falling and there is no air resistance in the y direction.

The x component of the air resistance is in the direction

opposite the 'forward' motion of the ball. I believe this is the

force you asked about in your question.

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Self-critique (if necessary): OK

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Question: `qUniv. 5.88 (5.84 10th edition). Elevator accel upward

1.90 m/s^2; 28 kg box; coeff kin frict 0.32. How much force to

push at const speed?

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Your solution:

F = m * a

F = 28 kg * (1.90 m/sec^2 + 9.8 m/sec^2)

F = 327.60 N

f = 0.32 * 327.60

f = 104.83 N

Fnet = 327.60 N - 104.83 N

Fnet = 222.77 N

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Given Solution:

`aSTUDENT SOLUTION AND INSTRUCTOR COMMENT: The magnitude of

kinetic friction force is fk = mu-sub k * N. First we add the 1.9

to 9.8 and get 11.7 as the acceleration and times that by the 28

kg and get 327.6 as the force so plugging in we get fk = 0.32 *

327.6 = 104.8 N.

** Good.

The net force Fnet on the box is Fnet = m a = 1.90 m/s^2 * 28 kg.

The net force is equal to the sum of the forces acting on the

box, which include the weight mg acting downward and the force of

the floor on the box acting upward. So we have

Fnet = Ffloor - m g = m a.

Thus Ffloor = m g + m a = 28 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 + 28 kg * 1.90 m/s^2

= 28 kg * 11.7 m/s^2 = 330 N, approx.

Being pushed at constant speed the frictional force is f = `mu *

N, where N is the normal force between the box and the floor. So

we have

f = .32 * 330 Newtons = 100 N, approx. **

STUDENT QUESTION:

I don't understand why the net force is the weight of the box +

the upward force of the elevator. Since the weight is

directed downwards, and the elevator is going upwards, shouldn't

it be the force of the elevator - weight? ????

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

There are two forces acting on the box in the vertical direction,

the weight (acting downward) and the normal force exerted by

floor of the the elevator on the box (which acts upward).

Using Ffloor for the normal force, the net vertical force is

therefore

net vertical force = Ffloor - weight.

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Self-critique (if necessary): OK

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