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Question: See if you can answer the following question, which came from a student:

Please define the difference between Fnet and Force.

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Your solution:

Net force is the sum of all the forces acting on an object.

Force is just one of the forces acting on an object.

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Given Solution:

Net force is the sum of all forces acting on an object. Typically a number of forces act on a given object. The word 'force' can be used

to refer to any of these forces, but the word 'net force' refers exclusively to the sum of all the forces (for future reference note that

the word 'sum' refers to a vector sum; this idea of a vector sum will be clarified later).

If you're pushing your car on a level surface you are exerting a force, friction is opposing you, and the net force is the sum of the two

(note that one is positive, the other negative so you end up with net force less than the force you are exerting). Your heart rate

responds to the force you are exerting and the speed with which the car is moving. The acceleration of the car depends on the net force.

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Question: Introductory prob set 3 #'s 1-6 If we know the distance an object is pushed and the work done by the pushing force how do we

find the net force exerted on the object?

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Your solution:

The net force would be found from using the distance and work done.

work done = net force * (change in position)

Net Force= work done/change in position

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Given Solution:

Knowing the distance `ds and the work `dW we use the basic relationship

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`dW = F_net * `ds

Solving this equation for F we obtain

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F_net = `dW / `ds

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Question: If we know the net force exerted on an object and the distance through which the force acts how do we find the KE change of the

object?

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Your solution:

I'm not exactly sure. I do know that Work= force * distance

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Given Solution:

First answer to the question (work = force * distance):

This first answer serves to give you the main idea:

* the KE change is equal to the work done by the net force.

* the work done by the net force is the product of the force and the distance through which it acts so

* the KE change is equal to the product of the force and the distance.

First answer modified to consider directions of force and motion (work = force * displacement in direction of force):

The previous answer applies only if the net force is in same the direction as the motion. More correctly:

* the KE change is equal to the work done by the net force.

* the work done by the net force is the product of the force and the displacement (not 'distance') in the direction of the force

* the KE change is equal to the product of the force and the displacement in the direction of the force.

The key difference here is the use of the word 'displacement' rather than 'distance'. Since a displacement, unlike a distance, can be

positive or negative, so the work done by a force can be positive or negative.

Another thing to keep in mind for the future is that the displacement is to be in the direction of the force. A negative displacement

therefore denotes a displacement in the direction opposite the force. We will later encounter instances where the force is not directed

along the line on which the object moves, in which case the work will be defined as the force multiplied by the component of the

displacement in the direction of the force.

Sometimes we will want to think in terms of the forces exerted ON objects, sometimes in terms of the forces exerted BY objects. The above

statement of the work-KE theorem is in terms of the forces exerted ON an object.

The basic idea is simple enough.

* If a force is exerted ON an object in its direction of motion, the work is positive and the object tends to speed up.

* On the other hand if the object exerts a force in its direction of motion, it tends to slow down.

* Positive work done ON an object tends to speed it up (increasing its PE),

* positive work done BY an object tends to slow it down (decreasing its PE).

The above ideas are expanded below to consider forces exerted ON objects vs. forces exerted BY objects.

Synopsis of work-kinetic energy:

First be aware that because of Newton's Second Law, there are typically two equal and opposite net forces, the net force which acts on a

system and the net force which is exerted by the system. It is necessary to be careful when we label our forces; it's easy to mix up

forces exerted by a system with forces exerted on the system.

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The first basic principle is that the work by the net force acting ON the system is equal and opposite to the work done by the net

force exerted BY the system.

The KE, on the other hand, is purely a property OF the system.

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The kinetic energy change OF the system is equal to the work done by the net force acting ON the system.

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The kinetic energy change OF the system is therefore equal and opposite to the work done by the net force exerted BY the system.

Intuitively, when work is done ON a system things speed up but when the system does work things have to slow down. A more specific

statement would be

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If positive work is done ON a system, the total kinetic energy of the system increases.

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If positive work is done BY a system, the total kinetic energy of the system decreases.

(We could also state that if negative work is done ON a system, its total KE decreases, which should be easy to understand. It is also the

case that if a system does negative work, its total KE increases; it's easy to see that this is a logical statement but most people fine

that somehow it seems a little harder to grasp).

Below we use `dW_net_ON for the work done by the net force acting ON the system, and `dW_net_BY for the work done by the net force being

exerted BY the system.

The work-kinetic energy theorem therefore has two basic forms:

The first form is

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`dW_net_ON = `dKE

which states that the work done by the net force acting ON the system is equal to the change in the KE of the system.

The second form is

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`dW_net_BY + `dKE = 0

which implies that when one of these quantities is positive the other is negative; thus this form tells us that when the system does

positive net work its KE decreases.

Summary:

* work = force * distance gives us the general idea but needs to be refined

* work = force * displacement is a correct definition as long as motion is along a straight line parallel to the force

* work = force * displacement in the direction of the force is true for all situations

* If the net force does positive work on the system, the system speeds up. Negative work on the system slows it down. More precisely:

* `dW_net_ON is the work done by the net force acting ON the system, and is equal to the KE change of the system. This is the

work-kinetic energy theorem.

One alternative way of stating the work-kinetic energy theorem:

Forces exerted on the system are equal and opposite to forces exerted by the system, so

* If the net force exerted by the system does positive work the system slows down. Negative work done by the system speeds it up:

* `dW_net_BY is the work done by the net force exerted BY the system, and is equal and opposite to the KE change of the system

This expanded discussion is in a separate document at the link Expanded Discussion of Work and KE . It is recommended that you bookmark

this discussion and refer to it often as you sort out the ideas of work and energy.

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This makes sense now. I have seen all this information before but forgot most of it.

KE changes are equal to work = force * displacement(which can be positive or negative)

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Question: `qWhy is KE change equal to the product of net force and displacement?

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Your solution:

KE change is another term for work when displacement is involved instead of distance.

work= force * displacement

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Given Solution:

This comes from the equation vf^2 = v0^2 + 2 a `ds.

Newton's 2d Law says that a = Fnet / m.

So vf^2 = v0^2 + 2 Fnet / m `ds.

Rearranging we get F `ds = 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2.

Defining KE as 1/2 m v^2 this is

F `ds = KEf - KE0, which is change in KE, so that

F `ds = `dKE.

Here F is the net force acting on the system, so we could more specifically write this as

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F_net_ON = `dKE.

STUDENT QUESTION: I do not see how you go from KE = 1/2 m v^2 to F_net 'ds = kEf - Ke0

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE:

If KE = 1/2 m v^2, then

KEf = 1/2 m vf^2 stands for the KE at the end of the interval and

KE0 = 1/2 m v0^2 stands for the KE at the beginning of the interval.

Then

F_net `ds = 1/2 m vf^2 - 1/2 m v0^2 becomes

F_net `ds = KEf - KE0.

STUDENT COMMENT

In my answer I simply related it to work, I didn’t realize It was supposed to be derived from a

formula. Either way, I have read through the solution and almost fully understand. I am only slightly confused by the initial

choice of formula. Was this just because these were the units that were given?

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

The definition of KE can be regarded as coming from the formula. The formula is there, and when we substitute a = F / m we get quantities

which we define as work and KE.

The question that motivates us to do this is 'what happens when a certain force is exerted over a certain distance?'

This question can be contrasted with 'what happens when a certain force is exerted over a certain time interval?'. When we answer this

question, we get the quantities we define as impulse and momentum.

University Physics Students Note: The formula approach outline above is based on the equations of uniformly accelerated motion. However

the concept of work and kinetic energy applies whether acceleration is uniform or not.

If a force F(x) is applied over a displacement interval from x_0 to x_f, we define the work to be the definite integral of F(x) with

respect to x, over this interval, and it isn't difficult to show that the result is the change in the KE. If F(x) is constant, then the

result is equivalent to what we get from the equations of uniform acceleration.

Similarly if force F(t) is applied over a time interval, an integral leads us to the general definitions of impulse and momentum.

STUDENT QUESTION

I do not understand why you related this to that one specific equation

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSE

I assume you mean the equation

vf^2 = v0^2 + 2 a `ds.

The original question concerned the effect on velocity of applying a given force on a given mass through a given displacement, starting

with a given initial velocity.

The given force and mass imply the acceleration.

Acceleration, initial velocity and acceleration imply the final velocity.

So the equations arise naturally from the question.

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This makes more sense now that I have read through all of the information. I have took notes on this for further reference back to it.

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Question: When we push an actual object with a constant force, why do we not expect that the KE change is equal to the product F * `ds of

the force we exert and the distance?

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Your solution:

The object could also be applying force along with the force of gravity. The Net force* `ds would equal the KE change. The force we are

applying is just one of the forces, when the net force is the sum of all forces.

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Given Solution:

Change in KE is equal to the work done by the net force, not by the force I exert. i.e.,

`dKE = F_net * `ds

The net force is not generally equal to the force I exert.

When I push an object in the real world, with no other force 'helping' me, there is always at least a little force resisting my push.

So the net force in this case is less than the force I exert, in which case the change in KE would be less than the product of the force I

exert and the distance.

If another force is 'helping' me then it's possible that the net force could be greater than the force I exert, in which case the

change in KE would be greater than the product of the force I exert and the distance.

It is actually possible for the 'helping' force to exactly balance the resisting force, but an exact balance would be nearly impossible

to achieve.

ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT: If I push in the direction of motion then I do positive work on the system and the system does negative

work on me. That should increase the KE of the system. However if I'm pushing an object in the real world and there is friction and

perhaps other dissipative forces which tend to resist the motion. So not all the work I do ends up going into the KE of the object.

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